*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[Stanners]

Has anyone benched any games yet, While the synthetic becnhes look impressive I would like to see some users game benches!

 

[Davedree]

I'm seeing a lot of people hypothesizing that the 1600x, as a gaming chip, won't clock too much higher, if any, from what we've seen from the 7 series. With this in mind, is it really worth buying over the 1700x? I'm at a point right now where I'm waiting for the 1600x, but seeing the gaming results of the 7 series I would rather pay a little bit extra and take the 8 cores, with potentially similar gaming results to what the 1600x will deliver.

What are peoples' personal opinion on the 1600x's potential overclocking abilities, based off of what we have seen so far?

It's all the same silicon so it'll all behave the same reaching a wall around 3.9 and quickly topping out ar 4.0-4.2ghz. None has tried individual core clocking yet though. The advatange to the r5 is the price to performance will be unbeatable.

 

[DragonQ]

No idea where this came from but it's fun to look at:

 

[SiDeards73]

I'm seeing a lot of people hypothesizing that the 1600x, as a gaming chip, won't clock too much higher, if any, from what we've seen from the 7 series. With this in mind, is it really worth buying over the 1700x? I'm at a point right now where I'm waiting for the 1600x, but seeing the gaming results of the 7 series I would rather pay a little bit extra and take the 8 cores, with potentially similar gaming results to what the 1600x will deliver.

What are peoples' personal opinion on the 1600x's potential overclocking abilities, based off of what we have seen so far?

You know, you might have a valid point here, i can see the 6/12 and 4/8's being sold as budget concious chips, i am not convinced they will be any better than the R7 series at overclocking, due to the architecture design, i wonder how many people waiting on the 6/12 and 4/8 will just say "sod it i'll get a 1700 / 7700k" once they are reviewed?

 

[harney]

Has anyone benched any games yet, While the synthetic becnhes look impressive I would like to see some users game benches!

Agree i would like to see game results from peeps on here and Win 7 vs 10 too seems in win 7 the scheduler works much better than 10 ....good to know the mighty M$ have full support for win 10

 

[DragonQ]

I'm seeing a lot of people hypothesizing that the 1600x, as a gaming chip, won't clock too much higher, if any, from what we've seen from the 7 series. With this in mind, is it really worth buying over the 1700x? I'm at a point right now where I'm waiting for the 1600x, but seeing the gaming results of the 7 series I would rather pay a little bit extra and take the 8 cores, with potentially similar gaming results to what the 1600x will deliver.

What are peoples' personal opinion on the 1600x's potential overclocking abilities, based off of what we have seen so far?

Basically the 1700 should be the best buy for overclockers, the 1700X otherwise. Whether the 1600X will be viable depends on its price and TDP - if it has higher temps and voltages than the 1700 at ~4 GHz then it's probably a dud in the SKU line-up. If you want better overclocking you're going to have to wait until Zen+.

I honestly think the best thing about the 1600X will be that it forces reviewers to redo their 1700(X) and 1800X tests with an actually finished ecosystem. We also are getting reports that Ryzen loves higher RAM speed (at the expense of timings) because its data fabric has a locked ratio to the RAM speed. Could be another reason Joker got better results with his 3000 MHz RAM if mainstream reviewers were mostly using 2400-2667 MHz RAM.

 

[harney]

Basically the 1700 should be the best buy for overclockers, the 1700X otherwise. Whether the 1600X will be viable depends on its price and TDP - if it has higher temps and voltages than the 1700 at ~4 GHz then it's probably a dud in the SKU line-up. If you want better overclocking you're going to have to wait until Zen+.

I honestly think the best thing about the 1600X will be that it forces reviewers to redo their 1700(X) and 1800X tests with an actually finished ecosystem. We also are getting reports that Ryzen loves higher RAM speed (at the expense of timings) because its data fabric has a locked ratio to the RAM speed. Could be another reason Joker got better results with his 3000 MHz RAM if mainstream reviewers were mostly using 2400-2667 MHz RAM.

Best thing AMD have done is to spread the launch of the chips
now if it was meant intentionally or that they where not ready to launch the entire range its better suited this way more reruns with reviews and by then bios / mem win 10 update of the scheduler maybe fixed ...lets hope so

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Best thing AMD have done is to spread the launch of the chips
now if it was meant intentionally or that they where not ready to launch the entire range its better suited this way more reruns with reviews and by then bios / mem win 10 update of the scheduler maybe fixed ...lets hope so

It also gives enterprise folks a proper look at how Naples will do inrelation to Xeons, especially now that it looks like Ryzen is punching well above it's price range compared to X99.

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-linux-benchmarks/

 

[Martini1991]

The 1700's probably flat out the best chip to buy right now.

What it offers for 320 quid is absolutely mind blowing.

 

[Harlequin]

Which IIRC is the reason @Gibbo ordered so many of them , but was surprised when the 1800x sold so many

 

[harney]

The 1700's probably flat out the best chip to buy right now.

What it offers for 320 quid is absolutely mind blowing.

I was all over it as soon as it was official to me the 1700 is AMD's way to say thank you ...well that's the way i see it

 

[Minus1337]

Rumours starting that ASUS may have pulled the hero from sale.

Mainly stemming from Amazon taking them off preorder, so could literally just be supply issue.

I've just checked and it is indeed showing as unavailable.

Uh-oh. Slightly worried for when I get home now and I unpack my hero.

 

[africanos23]

Uh-oh. Slightly worried for when I get home now and I unpack my hero.

Just update the bios before you starting fiddling, so you don't brick it.

 

[silversurfer]

hello and welcome. very interesting first post - even if I don't understand it fully!

thread affinity solution could be done on the software side

Doesnt task manager allow thread affinity to be set manually. Also some software on steam swears to improve game performance by actively managing this kind of thread to core distribution though I doubt it knows how to handle ryzen specifically.


Also someone run their chip through winrar benchmark, only takes a minute and everyone uses winrar

 

[Minus1337]

Just update the bios before you starting fiddling, so you don't brick it.

Roger doger. Right into the bios with a flash it is.

 

[slick rick]

Has anyone had their hands on an MSI Carbon board yet? I can't seem to find much about it?

 

[LtMatt]

Here are my Cinebench single thread and multi 5960x @3.5Ghz scores with XMP 3200MHZ CL16 DDR4 for comparison.

Spoiler

MT
1617 = @5960x @4Ghz with tuned DDR4 @CL15
1409 = @5960x @3.5Ghz with XMP DDR4 @CL16

ST
137 = @5960x @3.5Ghz with XMP DDR4 @CL16
154 = @5960x @4Ghz with tuned DDR4 @CL15

 

[humbug]

Another review who says games run smoother on these chips than they do on Intel. how many is that now?

@ 14 Minutes

 

[Safetytrousers]

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[harney]

Another review who says games run smoother on these chips than they do on Intel. how many is that now?

@ 14 Minutes

Interesting of all the peeps even 2 cents is stating it

AMD have missed a marketing feature here ....RYZEN SMOOTHNESS