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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Some rift happening tech city saying jokers 5ghz vs ryzen some thing was not right
What is going on ?
What is going on ?
What graphic card do you have anyway?Its not even that - I want to support AMD more than Intel since I feel I would be stealing from the poor to feed the rich if I get a Core i7(AGAIN)!!
However, I think people trying to bury the issues is not helping as it gives AMD an excuse to not bother working on them in any reasonable time-frame.
Luckily for me,and in hindsight perhaps the delay in mini-ITX motherboards is a good thing,so will have to look back in a few months time to see if things have improved or not.
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He may have a point, but also worth remembering those two had a falling out last year, he also made a comment in the comments section of that vid accusing Joker of using troll accounts to accuse him of many things including being a Peado..
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Hi guys,
My first post here, but been following the thread with great interest
past few years, unlike PC only developers.
Certainly interesting times
Hello and welcome to the Madhouse
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Its not even that - I want to support AMD more than Intel since I feel I would be stealing from the poor to feed the rich if I get a Core i7(AGAIN)!!
However, I think people trying to bury the issues is not helping as it gives AMD an excuse to not bother working on them in any reasonable time-frame.
Luckily for me,and in hindsight perhaps the delay in mini-ITX motherboards is a good thing,so will have to look back in a few months time to see if things have improved or not.
Then why are you not screaming at Asus? They are the ones who made a shockingly bad motherboard
Well people have already shown up to a 13FPS increase simply running the same games in Windows 7 over Windows 10, so that certainly needs to be addressed. Still annoyed AMD didn't get that or the Motherboards sorted before launch.
As for MB's though, people are forgetting how dire the X99 launch was for those as well. Took months before I could run my ram over 2133Mhz on the Asus X99 Deluxe, and even more time before the system was stable at Stock speeds; never mind overclocks.
This launch feels like X99 all over again for me; bar the gaming performance.
Although as much as I love gaming, it's not the primary thing for me; and if I was to choose right now between an X99 build or AM4, I'll go for the latter.
The price to performance is stellar!
It's only issue is gaming; and I'm confident they'll sort that out. Although even then I feel it might not benefit older games that much; not in comparison to new and upcoming ones though.
Although older/current Bethesda games might see improvements much sooner, given AMD are now partnered with them; instead of NVIDIA.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5xmmkr/so_ive_just_seen_that_asus_has_pulled_the_ch6/
Problems with the Crosshair it seems.
Problems with the Crosshair it seems.
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Ouch....Not good is it ...but fair play to tech city for bringing it up
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As a British citizen i do not know who to trust a x British criminal who is down under or a X British rebel from the US
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What is funny they are actually arguing about 720p (with low details) Joker's video so they argue who is right in the 200-300fps range hahaha seriously?
Caporegime
Nothing is ever the fault of AMD(they sent the review samples out) - you know very well on the other place,I have been there 11 years,and you know very well my attitude towards AMD there. I was apparently accused even on here of being an AMD employee. Oh,how things change!!
Seriously,reviewers are saying this was rushed - everything is rushed about this.
AMD could have delayed this and launched it in a better state and for the last 5 years I have said this is what always happens - they rush launches and half the time they never get properly updated.
How many websites updated their initial reviews of the FX8150 and FX8350 after 6 months or 12 months to see if the patches and companies better optimising for the uarch had an effect??
GTX1080,and I know the games I talking about very well too which is why I expected a bit more and why I live in hope the R5 1600X launch will have fixes in place,and I will be happy.
Well people have already shown up to a 13FPS increase simply running the same games in Windows 7 over Windows 10, so that certainly needs to be addressed. Still annoyed AMD didn't get that or the Motherboards sorted before launch.
As for MB's though, people are forgetting how dire the X99 launch was for those as well. Took months before I could run my ram over 2133Mhz on the Asus X99 Deluxe, and even more time before the system was stable at Stock speeds; never mind overclocks.
This launch feels like X99 all over again for me; bar the gaming performance.
Although as much as I love gaming, it's not the primary thing for me; and if I was to choose right now between an X99 build or AM4, I'll go for the latter.
The price to performance is stellar!
It's only issue is gaming; and I'm confident they'll sort that out. Although even then I feel it might not benefit older games that much; not in comparison to new and upcoming ones though.
Although older/current Bethesda games might see improvements much sooner, given AMD are now partnered with them; instead of NVIDIA.
Yeah,but in the end each person has the right to judge it based on what they use it for.
Like I mentioned,I might be doing an R7 1700 build for a mate who is more a casual gamer,but uses his rig to do more non-gaming stuff.
It just seems nobody is allowed to say anything bad about Ryzen or even try and discuss it as apparently you must be an Intel shill of some sort,right??
How many of us have criticised Intel too - nobody says anything about that.
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I think it's just a supplier issue to be honest, the Gigabyte Gaming 5 is also showing:
"Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."
Looks like they've just turned the line off to stop taking orders.
Here are my Cinebench single thread and multi 5960x @3.5Ghz scores with XMP 3200MHZ CL16 DDR4 for comparison.
MT
1617 = @5960x @4Ghz with tuned DDR4 @CL15
1409 = @5960x @3.5Ghz with XMP DDR4 @CL16
ST
137 = @5960x @3.5Ghz with XMP DDR4 @CL16
I will add the 4Ghz ST score shortly.
You can compare them to these Matt.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/30568566/
I'd be interested to see the difference between running some kind of benchmark over cores 0-7 and over cores 0,2,4,6,8,12,14,16. It won't tell the whole story but it might give an indication as to how much Windows is misunderstanding the Ryzen architecture.Doesnt task manager allow thread affinity to be set manually. Also some software on steam swears to improve game performance by actively managing this kind of thread to core distribution though I doubt it knows how to handle ryzen specifically.
Also someone run their chip through winrar benchmark, only takes a minute and everyone uses winrar
I'm looking to replace my i5 4670 that I've had for 3 years. Does a good job but have built a new PC every 3 years or so so getting an itch. Might go with the 1700 but will wait for the issues to be sorted out, also want to see what the 1600x looks like as well.
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Nothing is ever the fault of AMD(they sent the review samples out) - you know very well on the other place,I have been there 11 years,and you know very well my attitude towards AMD there. I was apparently accused even on here of being an AMD employee. Oh,how things change!!
Seriously,reviewers are saying this was rushed - everything is rushed about this.
AMD could have delayed this and launched it in a better state and for the last 5 years I have said this is what always happens - they rush launches and half the time they never get properly updated.
How many websites updated their initial reviews of the FX8150 and FX8350 after 6 months or 12 months to see if the patches and companies better optimising for the uarch had an effect??
Zen engineering sample where sent out to all IHV`s last year - 11 months is a long time to prep your kit, IF , you were bothered enough to do it. This says to me , with correlating evidence, that the motherboard makers weren't actually as interested in Ryzen as they should have been and quite frankly Asus has been caught again.
MS have to accept some culpability as well - windows 7 is working better than win10!
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Did they?
Pretty much everything I've seen from them compares Ryzen against the 6900k.
Caporegime
You can say that but when Bulldozer launched,Asus was the best OEM by far for motherboards - Gigabyte due to its lack of LLC,meant they sucked!! Mates with the Asus 970 motherboards had very few issues,and MSI motherboards could have issues with the VRMs.
The thing is AMD still controls the launch,and they need to manage these things,even if it means Asus gets no exposure at launch and even the same with the Windows 10 patches. AMD knew they would come in a month,so again its in their power to delay the launch a few weeks,so everything catches up. Remember,I am the one who managed to find that set of comments in that review and post them here,regarding the patches in a month or so,so at least we hope in a few weeks things might look better.