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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Why also it is important to buy a top motherboard for overclocking if you can. The ROG community is excellent, commitment and backup from key ASUS techs as well as a well featured bios are paramount, LLC etc.

I was sold on my CHV, now keenly waiting its replacement.

While I agree, the CH6 Hero is great board, and ticks everything I want. 3d print parts to make it look better, ROG community support, a lot of people having the card in here and can share settings and knowledge, and possibly EKWB going to release a monoblock for it.

But, I bet there is going to be a bigger model soon, but I want to put my hands on the Taichi :D
 
In fairness you could say the exact same about the Radeon HD7000 series. When it launched the flagship HD7970 could barely keep up with the GTX670, but after all the patches, firmware updates, etc it was closer to the GTX780 than the GTX680 (which was now being dueled by the HD7950)

This didn't happen.
The 7970 and GTX680 were nigh on neck and neck when the GTX680 launched, the 7970 launched first.

Then when AMD did the GHZ edition it was widely considered the faster card.

Since when did the 7970 become close to the 780 too?
 

Huh
Finally, we have reviewed the limited available evidence concerning performance deltas between Windows® 7 and Windows® 10 on the AMD Ryzen™ CPU. We do not believe there is an issue with scheduling differences between the two versions of Windows. Any differences in performance can be more likely attributed to software architecture differences between these OSes.

Heh so lets install Windows 7 again? :D

Does that also means, MS created the new vampire in the form of Windows 7, after they manage to kill the XP vampire?

Edit

hmm that explains why the 1700 reports lower temps

The table below serves as an example of how the tCTL sensor can be interpreted in a hypothetical scenario where a Ryzen processor is operating at 38°C.


Product Name
True Junction Temp (Example)

tCTL Offset for Fan Policy
Temp Reported by tCTL

AMD Ryzen™ 7 1800X 38°C 20°C 58°C
AMD Ryzen™ 7 1700X 38°C 20°C 58°C
AMD Ryzen™ 7 1700 38°C 0°C 38°C
 
Those who query about the Zen clocks.

There is a big article few pages back and I ill stay only on this.
The Samsung Zeppelin architecture used on the Zen, is designed to run optimal between 3.3-3.5. After that the curve of power to speed ratio gets high, and there is a cap with normal cooling at around 4-4.2Ghz.

However have faith. The new Samsung Zeppelin+ architecture, which is going into Zen+ is designed for much higher clocks and greater performance per clock at reduced power envelop also.
In addition, AMD has proven that the current Ryzen IPC is strong enough and beats the B-E IPC, while it overclocks at similar levels of performance.
Don't forget that, because while the prices are low that was the AMD target and has achieved it.

From the gazillion of 6900K, only the very best ones break the 4.2 mark with max speed the 4.4 for the second highest bracket. Hell many cannot go over 4Ghz without watercooling, while we have Ryzen at 3.9 with the stock Wraith spire air cooler!!!!!!!

Second is new architecture and personally love all the tweaking that is still unknown to us all. Now we understand that high speed and loose timings, is must for the Ryzen CPU. Because the Northbridge comms runs at 50% the RAM speed. And that affects the performance.
Something we need to take into consideration, that up to now both Intel and AMD cpus performance in relation to RAM, was pretty much stuck.
2400mhz was the point of diminishing returns, and was barely much gain using 3600Mhz ram against 2400Mhz Ram. But that has changed with Ryzen.
The higher the ram speed, the faster the system works. Imho we might see real perf when AMD and mobos update their BIOS to allow us even faster RAM as high as 4000Mhz (aka 4Ghz!),

I say interesting times ahead, especially for those of us who want to start tweaking and truly go back to proper "Overclocking". :)

(something applaud Nvidia with the Boost 3.0 curve, making overclocking on the Pascal cards really interesting).
Have you got any source for Global foundries using a Samsung Zeppelin+ node? As not heard of them looking to license anything more from Samsung.
 
So the 1700 doesn't have lower temps, it just reports lower temps cos applications haven't calculated it properly?

Also how can Windows 7 just be that much faster than Windows 10? Surely someone on the internet would've noticed this ages ago if it is an OS problem. If it only affects Ryzen then it surely isn't just an OS problem.
 
The 1700 temps are correct. It's the 1700X and 1800X that reports temps higher than they are. That would explain on the TTL review, he was complaining about high temps, but the air coming off the rad was not that warm.
 
For those waiting their Asrock boards :
End of March is the same info we were just given too - more preorders than boards. Sorry about this.

And given the complete sell off of the Asus Hero also, I will cancel my order with OCUK since it will take 2-3 more weeks to be delivered.
If I manage to find a Hero elsewhere by Wednesday, might try to build the PC. Otherwise means I am going to put on MM the Nano and FuryX for sale tomorrow.
Since my mobo and CPU need to be packed also and send to the buyer on Wednesday as promised.

Time for my PS4 to do something until May now. (I am on holidays in April, whole month). :(
 
I have enjoyed reading this thread, perhaps one day my motherboard will be here and I can test a few things for myself :D

I am in the same boat sort of. My preorder went no where, but Newegg had stock for about 10 minutes last Friday on the Hero. Mine is sitting at a distribution center 50 miles from my house, with an estimated delivery date of Wednesday. It should have been here today lol.

I guess the big question is how far can we push them without degradation.
 
I am in the same boat sort of. My preorder went no where, but Newegg had stock for about 10 minutes last Friday on the Hero. Mine is sitting at a distribution center 50 miles from my house, with an estimated delivery date of Wednesday. It should have been here today lol.

I guess the big question is how far can we push them without degradation.
Haha that is crazy, I'm waiting on a gigabyte k7. No estimate from OC yet but another retailer is expecting stock on the 24th which doesn't seem to promising.
 
This makes me ask two questions.

1. Is Windows 10 broken. We have seen the increases in Windows 7 and Linux. Could there be a fundamental flaw in 10.

2. Did MS refuse to fix it, and AMD is taking this route to push a bunch of people off Windows 10 to force them to do something.
 
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