Whatever the truth, it doesn't reflect particularly well on AMD. To be honest, I'm a bit fed up with it all now. Probably just going to throw my money into a 7700K build and be done with it for a few years.
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Whatever the truth, it doesn't reflect particularly well on AMD. To be honest, I'm a bit fed up with it all now. Probably just going to throw my money into a 7700K build and be done with it for a few years.
Yep. Buy a slower CPU for more money on a dead end socket. Makes perfect sense.
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The Ryzen is an extremely powerfully processor which is enhanced with highspeed ram....
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Looks really good, shame the warranty is only 2 years. Think that im gonna be stuck spending the extra for corsair or nzxt just for the longer warranty
Really...
The R7 chips have 8 cores 16 threads and cap out around 4GHz
7700k has 4 cores 8 threads and caps out around 5GHz
There are very definitely things that each beats the other at.
Tbh this whole 7700k vs 1700 looks like e8400 vs q6600 all over again - yes the 8400 clocked lots more and was faster at the time but it's not like the q6600 struggled with anything and oh boy did it hold on for long. Pretty sure some ppl still game on these.
Yes it did, however it was five years ago so can understand people forgetting. The HD7900 series had the largest in service performance improvements of any GPU ever released, to the point where there was even a lolspiracy theory going around that AMD had deliberately launched them gimped so they could be unlocked after Nvidia had launched it's "just enough" response (the GTX600 series).
If we could see Ryzen pull off even half that ones drivers, motherboard BIOS, etc are sorted it will be fantastic
When the GTX600 series launched the GTX670 and HD7970 were neck and neck, the GTX680 was ~7% quicker than both: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_670/28.html
Yeah that's what I was saying however I can see why people would think otherwise as I kinda phrased it backwards lol.
The 7970 GHz edition and 7950 Boost edition were just the standard cards with improved (higher clocked) BIOSes (and the drivers had improved by this point boosting performance more). Owners of the original cards could simply download the updated BIOS/drivers and apply them.
I said that after all the updates it was closer to the GTX780 than the GTX680, that doesn't mean that it matches the GTX780.
That's because it's the first new CPU line since Core2 (we do not speak of faildozer), and Core2 itself was a hyper evolved Pentium III that Intel put on the steroids after Netburst (Pentium 4/D) ran out of steam years early.
Yep my brother in law still uses my old q6600, and how many can remember being told not to waste money on a quad as no games use 4 cores
That VR was going to be real big real soon? People should buy headsets?
Wait, that one didn't work out did it.
Right here and now with proof on the table are pros and cons. Selling a dream is just that, it's not even a real argument when its based on hopes for the future.
If you buy a R7 for just gaming in the hope that developers create heavily threaded games you're gambling.
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I've thought that since I bought my 1800x. I knew what my 760k based system chucked out the back when running at very high temps, it was a bit like a hairdryer. My ryzen system barely feels warm at load and it's not causing higher temperatures with other components in the case either, such as the GPU.
Not a very scientific observation I know.
Really...
The R7 chips have 8 cores 16 threads and cap out around 4GHz
7700k has 4 cores 8 threads and caps out around 5GHz
There are very definitely things that each beats the other at.
He is right regardless how you see it. Z270 is a dead socket, as is the X99.
The new Intel cpus coming, will need new motherboards in 5 (X299) and 8 months (Coffee Lake?).
At least AMD AM4 socket will be supported until 2020-2021 with new CPUs every year.
That is what he is talking about.
Unfortunately atm there is no sense on buying a 7700K or a 6900K. Maybe someone would argue about the 6800K which price is reasonable considering all other Intel offerings.
And given the shortage of the AMD motherboards, looks like I could have one by end of the week. I cannot not see myself been without PC until the end of the month. Except I am lucky and find motherboard elsewhere.
Also the above post by the AMD community whomever, is going to **** off many potential Ryzen buyers. Especially the "anecdotal evidence" regarding the Windows 7 better performance against Windows 10. If whole AMD cannot build a Windows 7 machine to run some game tests, then I lose faith completely to them as a company. Also there is no mentioning regarding Linux, which after the SMT topology kernel patch on 4.10 and 4.9.10 kernels, works as expected regarding the thread scheduling and performance.
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Huh.
Here is a post from here
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/13/amd-ryzen-community-update?sf62107357=1
Here is a post from here
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/13/amd-ryzen-community-update?sf62107357=1
I did a bit of testing on my own, and the first game I tested showed a negative hit from SMT. Gears of War 4. I ran the benchmark in the game with SMT disabled in my ASRock Fatal1ty Pro. Below are the results.
When I enable SMT, the CPU stats drop about 9% on average. But, as evidenced by the graph there are far more instances of random low FPS. I guess it remains to be seen which behavior is in fact, the outlier, but in Gears of War 4, a modern DX12 title, there is definitely a negative impact.
But I will qualify this a say that even the SMT performance is way ahead of my old FX-8350.
you have a strange definition of 'faster' circa 5Ghz oc vs circa 4.1Ghz oc is not 'slower' it may be a less parallel CPU and may be slower in some tasks but that's it.....
pretty sure you were debating me about 16 months ago when I said that slower hex core 5820k might be a better long term bet over the quad 6700k? Seem to have changed your tune now?
Pretty sure z270's going to be compatible with at least one more refresh of CPU's so a bit daft to label it a 'dead' socket right now...(z170 obviously doesn't look like it will be compatible with anything else)
Said it before but will say it again well done AMD, certainly exceeded my expectations re pricing if not performance (yet). Hope they can keep it up. Shame they appear to have launched a little bit prematurely... Still smooth launches have not been AMD's forte
Like I said earlier, I find it hard to believe that this is the first time anyone has compared gaming performance between Windows 7 and Windows 10. Either it's a common issue, in which case why would any gamer use Windows 10 and lose 10+% FPS even with Intel's CPUs, or it's specific to Ryzen, in which case surely something is broken?
not sure what vr has got to do with anything i said but there you go, as for gambling on future performance well thats worked out ok for me so far, i was told not to buy a dual core as it was pointless, i was told not to buy a quad as it was pointless, i ignored all this great advice and so far no regrets, so im now buying a ryzen 1700 and people are saying its pointless to buy a 8 core so i think i will just ignore this advice as well
Yep, had the same thing when I bought my Q6600.
Then don't forget when buying an i7 and was told they were pointless for gaming over an i5...now everyone is saying the 7700k is THE gaming cpu...
Really looking forward to getting a Ryzen System, just waiting for it all to settle down and mature abit more.
To be honest, I play WoW predominantly, but noticed some cpu bottlenecking in BF1 with 2500K OC. I was set for Ryzen, but because I don't currently do a lot of other stuff I'm sure the I7 can cope with that.
The thing that concerns me is that even threaded games aren't really seeing much advantage being on Ryzen over the 7700K, maybe that is just because it's new, but maybe not.
Either way I'm sure I will be ok on the I7 for the next 2 or 3 years when I can re-evaluate.
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From the horse's mouth. No issues with Windows 10 SMT and Ryzen.
This is why I kept asking all those saying fixes and optimization was incoming to actually show me official word as I wanted to believe.
This is why I kept asking all those saying fixes and optimization was incoming to actually show me official word as I wanted to believe.
Er, you realise the first gen consumer headsets have only been out for 11 months?
One of them has only had roomscale for 4 months.
And one of them will never have roomscale in its first gen form (PSVR), and has only been out 5 months.
Would you spell the doom of the video game console 11 months after the Atari 2600 came out?