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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

humbug said:
I'll ask a different way.

6600/6700K are 14nm DDR4 sixth generation.
6800/6900K are 14nm DDR4 sixth generation.

Are you just being pedantic or do they not have the same cores? they are what, Devils Canyon on 14nm with DDR4?
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Sorry what? How am I being pedantic?

66 and 67 are Skylake.
68 and 69 are Broadwell-E.

SB-E was 3XXX, yet Sandy was 2XXX

They're both 14nm, they're different cores. Where does Devils Canyon come into this?

Sounds like you're just being obtuse.
 
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Martini1991 said:
There's no Skylake on X99.
It's Broadwell-E.

Broadwell was 14nm, as is Broadwell-E.

Skylake's 14nm.
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So your saying Broadwell-E cores are different from Devils Canyon and Skylake.

Why then are they all designated as 6'th generation Intel ark?

Surly if Haswell is 4'th Gen, Devils Canyon 5'th Gen, Skylake 6'th Gen then Broadwell-E also cited as 6'th Gen but not Skylake should be 7'th Gen?
 
humbug said:
So your saying Broadwell-E cores are different from Devils Canyon and Skylake.

Why then are they all designated as 6'th generation Intel ark?

Surly if Haswell is 4'th Gen, Devils Canyon 5'th Gen, Skylake 6'th Gen then Broadwell-E also cited as 6'th Gen but not Skylake should be 7'th Gen?
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Why do you keep bringing up Devils Canyon? Devils Canyon was just Haswell.
Broadwell being 5th Gen and Skylake being 6th Gen.

Also, http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/80341/Broadwell-E#@Desktop

I don't know why you keep saying X Gen either.

In no uncertain terms. 68 and 69 are Broadwell-E, and 66 and 67 are Skylake.
 
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humbug said:
It says in there, for the 6900K Broadwell E "6'th Gen", not 5'th.
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What does this matter? They're still not the same cores.
I can't even see what you mean there's no "6th" on the page, I frankly have no idea what you're going on about.

Again, 66 and 67 are Skylake, 68 and 69 are Broadwell-E, there's no escaping they're different cores!
 
Martini1991 said:
What does this matter? They're still not the same cores.
I can't even see what you mean there's no "6th" on the page, I frankly have no idea what you're going on about.

Again, 66 and 67 are Skylake, 68 and 69 are Broadwell-E, there's no escaping they're different cores!
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Click on the Data Sheet link on the 6900K page.

"These documents apply to the 6th Generation Intel Core Processors i7 6###, i7 6###T, i5 6###........................"
 
humbug said:
Click on the Data Sheet link on the 6900K page.

"These documents apply to the 6th Generation Intel Core Processors i7 6###, i7 6###T, i5 6###........................"
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Intel could class them as part of their 6th Generation offerings. It's meaningless.

I don't even know what data sheet you're on about, I can't see anything :p
 
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i7-6xxx is classed as "6th generation" in Intel marketing media.

i7-66xx/67xx use 4 Skylake cores on LGA 1151 socket.
i7-68xx/69xx use 6+ Broadwell-E cores on LGA 2011-v3 socket.

They use different architectures, with Skylake being the newer platform. Basically Intel's current release strategy is to make the enthusiast platform one generation behind the mainstream platform but with extra cores and features to make up for the marginal IPC deficiency. Makes sense from a development point of view as, for example, the Skylake process will have matured about a year before the beefier Skylake-E comes out.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Its damn impressive that it competes at 3ghz, but what about 4ghz or higher?
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all the AMD chip needs to do is have a 3.2ghz base clock and 3.5ghz boost clock and it will beat the 6900k.

honestly, it does not even need to beat the 6900k, 10% slower will be fine so 3ghz base clock and 3.3ghz boost will also work.

I would expect that 4ghz is possible as a black edition with AIO cooler but I don't expect this will be the norm for the launch.
 
DragonQ said:
If the IPC is slightly better than Broadwell-E that basically makes it about the same as Skylake. However, we don't know how well it clocks yet. Broadwell-E doesn't clock very well but Skylake does.
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humbug said:
I thought the 6900K was Skylake?
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Why is there such confusion over Skylake and Broadwell-E?

6700K(Skylake)
6900K(Broadwell-E)

Skylake is faster ipc as can be seen in the following link. Look at the single threaded Cinebench score. The 6700K has a 4.2GHz turbo frequency and the 6900K has 4GHz turbo which make comparison a bit difficult. However the 4790K has a 4GHz boost so effectively is probably the fastest for single core IPC.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10337/the-intel-broadwell-e-review-core-i7-6950x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-tested-up-to-10-cores/6

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Besty said:
all the AMD chip needs to do is have a 3.2ghz base clock and 3.5ghz boost clock and it will beat the 6900k.

honestly, it does not even need to beat the 6900k, 10% slower will be fine so 3ghz base clock and 3.3ghz boost will also work.

I would expect that 4ghz is possible as a black edition with AIO cooler but I don't expect this will be the norm for the launch.
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If you're taking it in black and white that the IPC is that good, but I wouldn't be putting my future mortgage on it, that's for sure.
 
On Intel Ark all the 6+ core stuff, including the most recent lot, are under the High End Desk Top Processors tab, Skylake is under 6th gen i7 processors, it's fairly straight forward...
 
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