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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

I need to downsize my PC in physical size next year as I intend to buy my first house, I'm hoping that I'm able to buy an ITX system, so AMD has every chance to wow me.
 
Martini1991 said:
I need to downsize my PC in physical size next year as I intend to buy my first house, I'm hoping that I'm able to buy an ITX system, so AMD has every chance to wow me.
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I hope so too I don't want my big hairy/shonky 2600k setup next year, I want to downsize to itx. So Hoping Zen will get me there.


Martini1991 said:
There's plenty wrong with the 480. I don't understand why it's selling so well, it's more or less the same price performance that we've already had. That said, I don't understand the 1060 either.

That's why I've still got a 290x, it basically gives me the same performance as a 480.
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+1 I don't understand the enthusiasm in the nitro+ thread either.
You look at the heatsink and it's far from the quality of the 380x nitro cooler and runs right at the thermal limit.
The pricepoint is not healthy either, this is amd's 1-2 year too late gm204 copy, but keeping the same pricepoints as the 970's were 2 years ago.
Maybe I was lucky getting a year old 970 g1 for 140 quid, but I don't understand why the 480 is getting such a warm welcome. I confess I did buy the ref rx470 but it's effectively 970 1400mhz performance for 165quid, which is going into my htpc and I'm converting the card into an itx.

I'm not sure if it's the lacking performance of the rx480 for it's power consumption, the **** gf14nm process or more the price that offends me.
Just hope Zen delivers haswell like performance.
 
ALXAndy said:
The RX 480 4gb has brought down the price for the type of performance offered to £199. Heck, Nvidia have just launched a 3gb "1060" for £189. Up until a few months ago that sort of performance would cost far more.

Was it as good as I expected it to be? yeah, it was actually. But then it's all about expectation isn't it? you expect too much you end up disappointed.

I expect Zen to be what it is. Nothing more, nothing less. I certainly won't need it myself as 6c 12t running at 4.5ghz is more than enough for me. However, I suspect that I will end up buying Zen in the future because I have no faith in modern day motherboards at all and history could well end up repeating itself leaving me with a dead board and a perfectly working CPU that I can't use because the boards are not available any more, or, priced extortionately.

If manufacturers actually made things to last I would still be using my 3970x.

Any way, apologies for digressing there. Looking forward to this muchly. If they can make a decent affordable quad core to go with the RX 480 I can see more people picking up PC gaming.

So that's good I guess :)
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I bought the ref 165 quid rx470 and that was even better value, the problem is the pricepoint of the 480 hasn't brought performance over previous gm204 or Hawaii/grenada. And you had 2 chances to get cheap 290's back in the day.
As said I hope Amd remember to cater for the itx scene, hoping they do well.
 
ALXAndy said:
However, I suspect that I will end up buying Zen in the future because I have no faith in modern day motherboards at all and history could well end up repeating itself leaving me with a dead board and a perfectly working CPU that I can't use because the boards are not available any more, or, priced extortionately.
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It's a good point - the longevity of socket 775 was immense in comparison, and second hand boards were everywhere at decent prices. Trying to find used boards for 1156/1155/1366 is almost impossible. I suspect some of the issue is simply that performance hasn't moved on much, so there hasn't been a constant cycle of upgrading and people replacing older boards.
 
I want to downsize to ITX, but even finding a board for a 4770k is frustrating, I'll go launch day into a Zen ITX set up, if they can't give me that I'll probably just get a Lian Li case table.
 
I'd be happy with a Skylake IPC 8 thread Zen, but i have hopes that the price will be right for the 12 threader, if not at launch perhaps a bit after.
 
Orcvader said:
Yes, new CPU, new socket, new life. Basically a fresh start from AMD.
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thanks, that what i thought. seems odd to have not gone with a completely new socket naming system then. oh well.

shame really, if it had been just a cpu change to upgrade im pretty sure id have grabbed one but if ive got ta change everything, well i probably wont bother.
 
mark2410 said:
thanks, that what i thought. seems odd to have not gone with a completely new socket naming system then. oh well.

shame really, if it had been just a cpu change to upgrade im pretty sure id have grabbed one but if ive got ta change everything, well i probably wont bother.
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AM3 has been dead for a long time, you can't expect AMD to dump a brand new CPU in a socket with no DDR4, M.2, PCIe 3, Native USB3.....
 
Martini1991 said:
Every time when AMD generate hype, the end product is disappointing.
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Yeah my point about clock speed is pretty much the same as I said a few weeks ago, AMD seem to be really pushing home the "40% more IPC than FX" marketing as if IPC is all that matters but at the end of the day if Zen's maximum clockspeed is 20% lower than FX then you are only getting a 20% performance increase in reality.

Likewise, even if IPC is slightly faster than Broadwell-E if the 6900K easily clocks to 4ghz and Zen only 3.5ghz then all Intel have to do is to match them on price (I know don't laugh it might happen :p).
 
mmj_uk said:
Yeah my point about clock speed is pretty much the same as I said a few weeks ago, AMD seem to be really pushing home the "40% more IPC than FX" marketing as if IPC is all that matters but at the end of the day if Zen's maximum clockspeed is 20% lower than FX then you are only getting a 20% performance increase in reality.

Likewise, even if IPC is slightly faster than Broadwell-E if the 6900K easily clocks to 4ghz and Zen only 3.5ghz then all Intel have to do is to match them on price (I know don't laugh it might happen :p).
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Its not in Intel's interest to start a price war, A competitive AMD is not going to hurt Intel, not as much as keeping up a self inflicted price war.
 
humbug said:
Its not in Intel's interest to start a price war, A competitive AMD is not going to hurt Intel, not as much as keeping up a self inflicted price war.
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If AMD are forced to sell the range from <£150 to £350 they will do a whole lot better than they are now, If Intel do the same they will feel it in their pockets, it will show up on thier balance sheets, investors will notice and conclude Intel cannot command their usual pricing, For example the 6900K is currently £950, the £600 they would have to shave off it (even long before its hurts AMD) Intel will hurt from that while AMD are still happy.
 
If the IPC is slightly better than Broadwell-E that basically makes it about the same as Skylake. However, we don't know how well it clocks yet. Broadwell-E doesn't clock very well but Skylake does.
 
DragonQ said:
If the IPC is slightly better than Broadwell-E that basically makes it about the same as Skylake. However, we don't know how well it clocks yet. Broadwell-E doesn't clock very well but Skylake does.
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I thought the 6900K was Skylake?
 
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