*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[DragonQ]

So their market share only increased from 18% to 21% in Q2, and so far is 27% in Q3 (all 3 days of it)?

I'm surprised AMD even had 18% market share before Ryzen. Was it literally low-powered APUs in laptops keeping them afloat, or do those figures include things like consoles?

 

[Erik13]

So their market share only increased from 18% to 21% in Q2, and so far is 27% in Q3 (all 3 days of it)?

I'm surprised AMD even had 18% market share before Ryzen. Was it literally low-powered APUs in laptops keeping them afloat, or do those figures include things like consoles?

Amd cpus were dirty cheap that helped a lot. And no console apus aren't included

 

[humbug]

Except it isn't. That table is wrong. The author has made the same mistake as you for assuming the Q3 datapoint represents the movement from April to June.

Check the latest data. Where is 31% anymore? See my screenshot for earlier in the month but after the 1st of July screenshot. Very different numbers.

http://m.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html

Fine if you don't want to admit you are wrong. I would have been fine with being proven wrong, but in this case I was proven correct.

But the last point represents movement in share within Q3, 1st July to today. That is why it is moving every single day as we move through Q3.

April to June movement in share is represented by the change from the Q1 point to the Q2 point. That is very clear now. As someone that presents data every single day, that is also the intuitive way to display it, and the default behaviour of most software.

Its not about how you so defensively put it "being wrong" both are correct as they appear at the recorded time, its simply that the 1'st of July chart is different to the 3'rd of July chart, how can someone who proclaims to "presents data every single day" not spot they are different charts representing different time periods?

I mean, it says in print on the bottom of the chart, the one i posted on the 1'st of July was made on the... yep.. 1'st of July, the one you just posted on the 3'rd of July was "updated 3'rd of July"

You're fired....

Spoiler: Mine, 1'st July

Spoiler: Yours, 3'rd July

 

[Dicehunter]

Although I love the performance of my 1800X, I hope the next iteration has something like Intels Speedstep so when overclocked it's not always at full clocks/volts.

 

[muon]

Its not about how you so defensively put it "being wrong" both are correct as they appear at the recorded time, its simply that the 1'st of July chart is different to the 3'rd of July chart, how can someone who proclaims to "presents data every single day" not spot they are different charts representing different time periods?

I mean, it says in print on the bottom of the chart, the one i posted on the 1'st of July was made on the... yep.. 1'st of July, the one you just posted on the 3'rd of July was "updated 3'rd of July"

You're fired....

Spoiler: Mine, 1'st July

Spoiler: Yours, 3'rd July

Except if the last point was April to June and hence as in your first chart AMD went from 21% to 31%. Then it doesn't matter if it was the 1st or 3rd of July. It is is fixed forever. That time period is over. Yet that data is now nowhere to be seen.

So what you fail to understand is that the line from Q2 to Q3 is the movement from July 1st to September 30th, i.e. Q3. So you're interpretation is completely wrong and so is the article table. I suggest you clearly read all the posts made so far.

I know you like presenting AMD in a positive light, but misconstruing the facts doesn't help you.

AMD actually went from 18.1% in Q1 to 20.6% in Q2. No doubt AMD will be up again when Q3 is over, but there is a way to go yet and it is unlikely to be the massive 10% originally show which was purely a single day of data

 

[Yaayuh!]

All this talk on % of market share and critiquing charts....

 

[muon]

All this talk on % of market share and critiquing charts....

But someone is wrong on the internet!

It's a pretty bad error though. It isn't critiquing a chart, the graph is fine. Some people are just for some reason reading it as such which makes Ryzen look far better than the excellent results it has achieved anyway. No need for that.

 

[jaffveyda]

All this talk on % of market share and critiquing charts....

Pivot,pivot..............pivot...PIVOT.

 

[Curlyriff]

Are we really suggesting we don't understand this?

Edit: I see why some are confused. The person who suggested Q2 is 31% is wrong. it was 18% in Q1 rising from around 16-17% (chart scale hard to work out). It has increased to 20% at Q2, It is now a floating point with it slightly below 30% during Q3 thus far.



The two charts don't align or show the same info properly. The only way that AMD suddenly had a jump to 30% is that they had an order for tens of thousands on the 1st July and so it spiked for a day. As things over the last 3 days have levelled out it has dropped a little now.

 

[pete910]

Although I love the performance of my 1800X, I hope the next iteration has something like Intels Speedstep so when overclocked it's not always at full clocks/volts.

Erm, Yours should still clock down, Mine does with a 3.9 OC

Mine downclocks to 2.2/2.4

Something switched off/on in your bios ??

 

[Curlyriff]

Delete

 

[Orcvader]

Although I love the performance of my 1800X, I hope the next iteration has something like Intels Speedstep so when overclocked it's not always at full clocks/volts.

AMD has Cool'n'Quiet which does the same thing since the Althon 64 days. If you disabled any power saving settings in the BIOS as well as setting Windows to High Performance, then your CPU won't clock/volt down during idle. My old overclocked PII clocked down just fine.

 

[DragonQ]

Although I love the performance of my 1800X, I hope the next iteration has something like Intels Speedstep so when overclocked it's not always at full clocks/volts.

Ryzen already does this. You have to use P-State overclocking, AFAIK.

AMD has Cool'n'Quiet which does the same thing since the Althon 64 days. If you disabled any power saving settings in the BIOS as well as setting Windows to High Performance, then your CPU won't clock/volt down during idle. My old overclocked PII clocked down just fine.

The trick is to use the High Performance preset but then change the minimum CPU frequency to 5% and it'll still downclock when idle (it won't actually go to 5%, it depends on your CPU - mine only drops to 2.3 GHz).

 

[ubersonic]

The trick is to use the High Performance preset but then change the minimum CPU frequency to 5% and it'll still downclock when idle (it won't actually go to 5%, it depends on your CPU - mine only drops to 2.3 GHz).

Or just use the Ryzen balanced profile included as part of the chipset drivers, which is essentially the same thing.

 

[Pannalicour]

Hey guys quick question:

I am building a ryzen 7 (1700x) build. I dont know what MB to use? What kind of MB are you guys using and how is it working? (Overclocking and temperature)

One MB that I like a a lot is the Asrock x370 killer sli ( it has like 8+4 phases). What do you guys think of this?

 

[LtMatt]

Ryzen already does this. You have to use P-State overclocking, AFAIK.



The trick is to use the High Performance preset but then change the minimum CPU frequency to 5% and it'll still downclock when idle (it won't actually go to 5%, it depends on your CPU - mine only drops to 2.3 GHz).

If you do that, you're just using the Windows Balance Profile and will lose the performance enhancements gained from the Ryzen Power Profile.

Sense MI handles clock frequency and as long as you have C states enabled in the bios, the CPU cores will downclock and go to sleep where applicable. I apprecaite that software indicates the CPU is stuck at the highest frequency, but that's because it can only read the last P state the processor was in.

 

[doodah]

Hey guys quick question:

I am building a ryzen 7 (1700x) build. I dont know what MB to use? What kind of MB are you guys using and how is it working? (Overclocking and temperature)

One MB that I like a a lot is the Asrock x370 killer sli ( it has like 8+4 phases). What do you guys think of this?

In a similar predicament (1700). 8Pack has said several times that the Taichi and Crosshair Hero VI are the best x370s for overclocking, leaning towards the CH6 myself.

 

[LumpyVR]

If you do that, you're just using the Windows Balance Profile and will lose the performance enhancements gained from the Ryzen Power Profile.

Sense MI handles clock frequency and as long as you have C states enabled in the bios, the CPU cores will downclock and go to sleep where applicable. I apprecaite that software indicates the CPU is stuck at the highest frequency, but that's because it can only read the last P state the processor was in.

Hey Matt a quick question regarding that power plan for you if you'd be so kind. I have the 1600 on a Gigabyte Gaming 5 mobo and specs as per my sig and I seem to have an odd issue with the Ryzen Balanced Power plan. Everything works nicely apart from when I leave it idle. After about an hour I'll either get a black screen which I need to physically power the machine off to recover from, or I'll find its rebooted and is sat at the login screen. I've done some troubleshooting and if I change it to the Windows High performance plan I see no issues. Any idea what this could be? I'm running a modest 3.8GHz OC but if that was causing the issue would it not happen with all power plans?

 

[DragonQ]

If you do that, you're just using the Windows Balance Profile and will lose the performance enhancements gained from the Ryzen Power Profile.

Actually you're not "just using the Windows Balance Profile", there are other differences between the two profiles. In any case, I was responding to a post describing how Cool n' Quiet didn't function with a Phenom II if Windows was set to High Performance and I was describing a way of getting the best of both worlds. I wasn't talking about Ryzen at all.

 

[LtMatt]

Hey Matt a quick question regarding that power plan for you if you'd be so kind. I have the 1600 on a Gigabyte Gaming 5 mobo and specs as per my sig and I seem to have an odd issue with the Ryzen Balanced Power plan. Everything works nicely apart from when I leave it idle. After about an hour I'll either get a black screen which I need to physically power the machine off to recover from, or I'll find its rebooted and is sat at the login screen. I've done some troubleshooting and if I change it to the Windows High performance plan I see no issues. Any idea what this could be? I'm running a modest 3.8GHz OC but if that was causing the issue would it not happen with all power plans?

That's a strange issue, not sure what could be causing that. Are you sure it's nothing to do with the GPU? The only other thing is it could be a slightly unstable CPU overclock.

The Ryzen power plan just stops Windows shutting down or putting to sleep the CPU cores, as this is all managed internally by Sense MI inside the processor.