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On the rainforest site the Ryzen 5 1600 is the top selling CPU on the UK version and the second highest selling CPU on the US version.
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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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However after August 10th, and if all the rumours for the pricing are correct, their whole i9 lineup looks pathetic and terrible value.
Why someone would want to buy a heater err i mean i9 7900X @ £1000, when the R9 1950 going to be £850 for 60% more cores?
To compete with it the 7900X would have to run at 6.5Ghz+ 24/7!!!
Or someone splash twice the money over the R9 1950, to buy the 7960X @ £1700. Madness.
Especially considering is still PCI-E limited CPU, and run even much hotter than the 7900X.
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There is one semi good cpu in that lineup and that is 7820. Other than that all other models have terrible price/performance ratio compared to Ryzen family. Not even talking about terrible power consumption and heat issues with both mobo and cpu itself ..
It's still £550 and has only 28 PCIe lanes, which is fine for most but this is HEDT. It's intentionally gimped.
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If Ryzen is so successful, how come every time I go near the OCUK store I see price reductions? Today I notice there are deals on mobo's.
Just curious
. It seems like shortly after release the discounts soon followed, to what was already decently priced CPU's and mobo's.
You don't usually sell stuff for less unless you need to. THoughts? Maybe it's just the OCUK negotiating with their supplier/AMD.
Just curious
. It seems like shortly after release the discounts soon followed, to what was already decently priced CPU's and mobo's.You don't usually sell stuff for less unless you need to. THoughts? Maybe it's just the OCUK negotiating with their supplier/AMD.
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Not sure you'll have to ask ocuk but it may be because other places are selling them cheaper and they are just bringing them in line with the cheaper prices.If Ryzen is so successful, how come every time I go near the OCUK store I see price reductions? Today I notice there are deals on mobo's.
Just curious
You don't usually sell stuff for less unless you need to. THoughts? Maybe it's just the OCUK negotiating with their supplier/AMD.
If Ryzen is so successful, how come every time I go near the OCUK store I see price reductions? Today I notice there are deals on mobo's.
Just curious
You don't usually sell stuff for less unless you need to. THoughts? Maybe it's just the OCUK negotiating with their supplier/AMD.
Simple really, higher price on release as it's new/impatient people/fans/early adopters. Especially when your competition is a lot more expensive. After the initial excitement drop the price a bit to gain more interest, your competitor may be doing the same. Further drops to pick up the people with tighter budgets and hopefully start below a price that hurts your competitor but still makes you money.
By all accounts AMD have very good yields and can still make a decent profit off lower priced chips. Besides which people have got used to overpriced hardware as a result of a lack of competition.
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Good point about the good yields, maybe despite being already competitively priced they can sell even more and still make a good margin with lower prices.
I'm always naturally sceptical of sales. Sure, discounts get my attention but I always ask myself "why"
. There's often a catch or reason, such as the 6700K discounts just before 7700k released and of course Ryzen hitting the market.
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Also lets not forget that AMD had better wields than expected ranging 80-90% per waffer. That is huge, they will have to sell them somehow, because they paid for producing an X amount of wafers expecting the usual median 50% wield.
Not producing them doesn't save them money, because they will have to pay the money in contract penalties, for no product. So lowering the prices to shift the stock makes sense, and they do not lose money either way. Just carving bigger piece of the pie than expected. And lowering the prices makes sense, if they want to keep the next up segment (Ryzen 9) at the prices they have projected. (R9 1950 @ $850)
Not producing them doesn't save them money, because they will have to pay the money in contract penalties, for no product. So lowering the prices to shift the stock makes sense, and they do not lose money either way. Just carving bigger piece of the pie than expected. And lowering the prices makes sense, if they want to keep the next up segment (Ryzen 9) at the prices they have projected. (R9 1950 @ $850)
This is pretty much the reason. A lot of people buy from OcUK because of their customer service and marketplace presence, but their prices are rarely competitive except when they do deals. Maybe they do them more often because they have more stock to shift, or they feel like they're losing sales elsewhere.
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Anyone have any idea what this 14nm+ is going to be about?
I'm assuming its just going to be a minor refresh as in 480 - 580 a slight clockspeed bump or something. We've heard a bit about 7nm but nothing about 14nm+ unless I missed it.
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Anyone have any idea what this 14nm+ is going to be about?
I'm assuming its just going to be a minor refresh as in 480 - 580 a slight clockspeed bump or something. We've heard a bit about 7nm but nothing about 14nm+ unless I missed it.
Ryzen pro that they have just announced maybe?
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Yeah could be I suppose. Was kind of hoping it would be a better performing chip even if only a little bit just to keep it competitive with coffeelake.
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7nm Zen is said to be focused on hitting 5ghz
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Yeah I'm very excited about this one, It's the reason I decided not to jump on Ryzen, by the time it is out I would've had enough use out of this i5 to make it worthwhile.
They want to grab as much MS as possible before Intel is able to respond. Also their yields are terrific so that helps also ...If Ryzen is so successful, how come every time I go near the OCUK store I see price reductions? Today I notice there are deals on mobo's.
Just curious
You don't usually sell stuff for less unless you need to. THoughts? Maybe it's just the OCUK negotiating with their supplier/AMD.
Did you look at the graph data points? It shows Q1 2017 and Q2 2017 ending at Q3 for current lol.
Showing Q2 was when AMD went up UNTIL today.
If you check now.
http://m.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html
The graph has changed. If it referred to Q2 it couldn't change with 1 more day of data in Q3.
It is moving daily which means that the Q3 datapoint refers to the Q3 itself. Not Q2. Give it a few more days for it to settle as we progress through Q3.
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See above.
Like I said before, almost no one labels graphs in such an unintuitive manner as you've described. In my experience no software I've come across would plot graphs in that manner.