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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

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Journey said:
They could have simply been mislabelled, with the wrong IHS put on, and the boxed wrong due to this. QA issues happen, would be way worse if you were buying a 1600X and getting a 1500X.
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Same base and turbo clocks as the 1600x though, as well as being recognised as a 1600X in the OS.
 
It's probably a rarity, R3/R5s are lower bins so most likely the disabled cores have some manufacturing defects.
It wouldn't hurt if mobo manufacturers included a feature to unlock disabled cores in the bios so the user can do some stress testing and see if they're functional, but I don't think AMD will have any of that.
 
i heard there were some CPU's which were defective is this true?

I have just bought a ryzen second hand. need to know what i should be testing for to see if it's okay?

also what is the best cooler for a 1700x? for the £30 bracket. £50 bracket and the £70 bracket. preferably air cooled
 
DragonQ said:
Bit embarrassing for AMD, that. I'm surprised no motherboard manufacturers have added an "unlock cores" option to their UEFIs like in the Athlon/Phenom days.
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I would say the opposite, it is great publicity for them. Would be nice to have the option to attempt an unlock like with previous gen chips.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
i heard there were some CPU's which were defective is this true?

I have just bought a ryzen second hand. need to know what i should be testing for to see if it's okay?

also what is the best cooler for a 1700x? for the £30 bracket. £50 bracket and the £70 bracket. preferably air cooled
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I believe the issue came to light when using Linux, otherwise you will never see it. If found to be an issue, AMD will RMA it. Note: AGESA 1.0.0.6b is meant to fix the issue, but if it doesn't then that is when it is RMA Acceptable. This is the only issue I was aware of.
 
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Intel are about to launch Coffeelake, all AMD are doing is reacting to that by under cutting the crap out of Intel, Intel's cheapest unlocked 6 core will be what, £250? the 1600 'which unlike the Coffeelake i5 is a 6 core 12 thread' will now be £160 / £170?

Until Ryzen + in February that will see off Intel's response, one thing Intel will never do at any cost is price to performance match AMD.
 
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humbug said:
Intel are about to launch Coffeelake, all AMD are doing is reacting to that by under cutting the crap out of Intel, Intel's cheapest unlocked 6 core will be what, £250? the 1600 'which unlike the Coffeelake i5 is a 6 core 12 thread' will now be £160 / £170?

Until Ryzen + in February that will see off Intel's response, one thing Intel will never do at any cost is price to performance match AMD.
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We'll have to wait and see. If Coffee lake could hit Sandybridge levels of overclocking and Intel have optimsed the ring bus it could be a beast and maybe worth paying a premium over Ryzen for some people.
 
jigger said:
We'll have to wait and see. If Coffee lake could hit Sandybridge levels of overclocking and Intel have optimsed the ring bus it could be a beast and maybe worth paying a premium over Ryzen for some people.
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Yup... indeed! I doubt they will want to endanger their top flight chips by going back to solder though.
 
Scougar said:
Yup... indeed! I doubt they will want to endanger their top flight chips by going back to solder though.
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Yeah and 8600K would probably hammer a good chunk of Intel current line up in most situations if that turned out to be the case. A chip like that would probably only add to the problems Ryzen is currently giving Intel too. Plus it's still only 6 cores and 12 threads going up against 8 core 16 thread chips so clock speed will only help to a point.
 
jigger said:
We'll have to wait and see. If Coffee lake could hit Sandybridge levels of overclocking and Intel have optimsed the ring bus it could be a beast and maybe worth paying a premium over Ryzen for some people.
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For a lot of people Intel will always be worth the premium anyway, just because Intel is written on the box, you're never going to change that so they don't matter

For a lot of other people its a better idea to spend the difference between Intel and AMD on a faster GPU, they do matter.
 
best air cooler for a 1700x in terms of value for money? the cheaper the better however i will pay say a few quid more if warranted. for example i'm currently using a hyper 212X (£25) on a i5 7600K as it's a beast for the money. is there anything as good as that for AM4?
 
humbug said:
For a lot of people Intel will always be worth the premium anyway, just because Intel is written on the box, you're never going to change that so they don't matter

For a lot of other people its a better idea to spend the difference between Intel and AMD on a faster GPU, they do matter.
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I'm not sure you know. The industry will usually go with whatever offers the required performance for the lowest outlay.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
best air cooler for a 1700x in terms of value for money? the cheaper the better however i will pay say a few quid more if warranted. for example i'm currently using a hyper 212X (£25) on a i5 7600K as it's a beast for the money. is there anything as good as that for AM4?
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I'll have a look later for you when i have the time :)
 
Psycho Sonny said:
best air cooler for a 1700x in terms of value for money? the cheaper the better however i will pay say a few quid more if warranted. for example i'm currently using a hyper 212X (£25) on a i5 7600K as it's a beast for the money. is there anything as good as that for AM4?
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I went with stock but I did look at a couple Sythe HSF.
 
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