*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[nashathedog]

I might be wrong but isn’t Ryzen+ next , then Ryzen 2 after that. Unless it has been brought forward.

Possibly, after all Coffeelake pulls well ahead of Ryzen so AMD must be feeling the pressure to respond. I'm not sure where KitGuru said

It's mentioned from 8m 15s.

 

[Fire_fly]

Ummm is it just me or does that slide contradict the text above it. I know it is pixelated but it looks like it says 12 core 24 threads for the 2700 not 10c 20t.

Trying to keep a lid on the hype is probably the best thing at the moment, as lets be honest here the only thing it leads to with AMD launches is disappointment.

 

[Jono8]

I just can't comprehend a 12 core, 24 thread 5ghz cpu for £300 in a few months time. It would totally upend the cpu marketplace.

 

[Pants]

That slide is a fake unfortunately.

(well it was found on 4chan in October anyway: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-2-slide-in-kitgurutech-video.2528889/)

 

[nashathedog]

That slide is a fake unfortunately.

(well it was found on 4chan in October anyway: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-2-slide-in-kitgurutech-video.2528889/)

Is there a link to it as I can't find anything about it being on 4chan in october in the link above.

I'm not saying it's wrong as I do find it hard to believe but who knows.

Videocardz just posted this

https://videocardz.com/74402/amd-confirms-2nd-gen-ryzen-launching-in-q1-2018

 

[theforce]

10% clock increase and 10% IPC gain would be nice for Zen+

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Looks like Laptopmag tested both the Intel and AMD versions of the HP Envy X360:

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/amd-ryzen-mobile-vs-intel-8th-gen-core

The Ryzen 5 version is not only competitive in performance,but is competitive in battery life too!!

 

[humbug]

Looks like Laptopmag tested both the Intel and AMD versions of the HP Envy X360:

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/amd-ryzen-mobile-vs-intel-8th-gen-core

The Ryzen 5 version is not only competitive in performance,but is competitive in battery life too!!

I would say the Intel chip is outclassed....

Its easy to say this, yeah here we go that ^^^^ has set the trend...

Nope. Geekbench is from the Pentium 4 era.

Intel's Graphics really need to be retired....

And Power consumption...

All that's nice to see, lets hope the rest of the industry now realise there is an alternative, the AMD Laptop, which is identical to the Intel one is $100 less expensive.

 

[gavinh87]

15 fps is hardly worth shouting about lol.
Yes it's better but let's not go overhyping the crap out of this.

 

[humbug]

15 fps is hardly worth shouting about lol.
Yes it's better but let's not go overhyping the crap out of this.

Or 90 FPS vs 27.... overhype? its impossible to over state just how badly Intel's graphics are beaten, the CPU performance is also beaten, as is Intel's performance per watt.

With Laptops Intel can't just turn the clocks up as they actually need to keep the power consumption down.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This is why Intel paid AMD to make a GPU for them. It seems the rumours its around R9 285/380 performance are true:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7j49wx/sisoft_entry_28cu_raven_ridge_2gb_of_hbm2_onboard/

"AMD Fenghuang Raven". It has 2GB of HBM2 and 1792 shaders,and it will be interesting to see what the GPU clockspeeds will be like.

 

[Doobedoo]

15 fps is hardly worth shouting about lol.
Yes it's better but let's not go overhyping the crap out of this.

That's 3x more powerful I've seen you hype much, much less .

 

[Gzero]

That's one way to not measure power usage. Normally reviews test it with media playback, games and office utilities tests. Ie I want notebookcheck to give a review before we go blowing horns over how good it is.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

That's one way to not measure power usage. Normally reviews test it with media playback, games and office utilities tests. Ie I want notebookcheck to give a review before we go blowing horns over how good it is.

Laptopmag are quite well known,and are part of the same group as Toms Hardware and Anandtech.

They have done the most important thing that even NBC and other sites don't bother to do - test both the Intel and AMD versions of the SAME laptop.

Everything in the two laptops are the same,outside the CPU,motherboard and case colour.

It also means both chassis have equivalent cooling capability and the same screens. Exactly the same battery in both. They also weigh the same and have the same dimensions.

So if the same test is run,its accurate.

Remember,they are running the same benchmarks and same testing on both systems,so ultimately this is an accurate relative comparison.

All previous reviews have tested the Ryzen 5 2500U based X360 against different laptops. Plenty of us benchmark ourselves and we know very well its important to keep common components,ie,if that CPU or GPU is better we are actually looking at those parts in isolation.

If you don't equate all the other parts,you are not testing CPU performance,but CPU performance and the implementation of said laptop.

If you don't believe me - look at every site that tests a graphics card or CPU/Motherboard/RAM,every other part is identical to stop any bias in the results even down to the case used.

 

[4K8KW10]

I would say the Intel chip is outclassed....

Its easy to say this, yeah here we go that ^^^^ has set the trend...

Nope. Geekbench is from the Pentium 4 era.

Intel's Graphics really need to be retired....

And Power consumption...

All that's nice to see, lets hope the rest of the industry now realise there is an alternative, the AMD Laptop, which is identical to the Intel one is $100 less expensive.

Wow

These results and absolute AMD dominatation are beautiful!

RIP Intel

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

What I find utterly weird is how AMD marketing has missed something again - they should have been sending out both the AMD and Intel versions of the laptop,so multiple sites could do tests on similar machines.

 

[AndreiD]

The 2500U there is 25W, while the i5 8250U laptop has a higher brightness display with more DDR4 and the CPU is running at 15W, reason why notebookcheck measured such high power consumption numbers in their review.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-En...00U-Radeon-Vega-8-Laptop-Review.266614.0.html
They measured power usage close to 8250U + MX150, which isn't really ideal all things considered. Also check out the comparison with the HP Envy x360 15t-w200 in the same article, in load the battery life for the 2500U Envy w/ 55.8Wh battery is lower than the 7500U + 930MX w/ 48Wh battery, it might even be blowing past 25W.

Raven Ridge is a nice step up from their previous APUs for sure, but not nearly as good as their marketing made it out as being perf/W wise. It's a good niche product though since there aren't many cheap options with decent GPU performance, so it's going to be in a few designs, hopefully better ones than the HP Envy X360 which is just awful based on reviews.

 

[4K8KW10]

I don't agree with you that Ryzen 5 2500U is a niche CPU.
Actually, it should turn out to be the best selling mainstream CPU for all notebooks.

Of course, if Intel removes its corruption practices to twist their partners hands to avoid the all-round superior AMD products.

 

[d_brennen]

I don't agree with you that Ryzen 5 2500U is a niche CPU.
Actually, it should turn out to be the best selling mainstream CPU for all notebooks.

Of course, if Intel removes its corruption practices to twist their partners hands to avoid the all-round superior AMD products.

It'll sell well if Intel allows

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The 2500U there is 25W, while the i5 8250U laptop has a higher brightness display with more DDR4 and the CPU is running at 15W, reason why notebookcheck measured such high power consumption numbers in their review.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-En...00U-Radeon-Vega-8-Laptop-Review.266614.0.html
They measured power usage close to 8250U + MX150, which isn't really ideal all things considered. Also check out the comparison with the HP Envy x360 15t-w200 in the same article, in load the battery life for the 2500U Envy w/ 55.8Wh battery is lower than the 7500U + 930MX w/ 48Wh battery, it might even be blowing past 25W.

Raven Ridge is a nice step up from their previous APUs for sure, but not nearly as good as their marketing made it out as being perf/W wise. It's a good niche product though since there aren't many cheap options with decent GPU performance, so it's going to be in a few designs, hopefully better ones than the HP Envy X360 which is just awful based on reviews.

Umm,why are you comparing two different generations of X360?? The one with the dGPU is a 2016 model with a 2C/4T CPU. A 2C/4T CPU should draw less power anyway and the dGPU will only be used when gaming due to graphics switching to the IGP under normal conditions - you should know that.

Dude,look at this review:

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/amd-ryzen-mobile-vs-intel-8th-gen-core

That is the same 2017 model of X360. The same weight,same battery,etc. Both systems are under 6 hours,so from what I gather its on the low side even for an Intel system.

Battery life is competitive,with Intel being a tad better. Heck,even if the Intel system was half an hour better that would still be close enough TBH.

Our Test Systems
It's rare to find two units of the same laptop model with different CPU brands, and when you do, they won't necessarily have matching specs. For our tests, we used HP Envy x360 laptops with 15.6-inch, 1080p displays and 1TB hard drives. The Core i5-8250U-powered model had 12GB of RAM, while the Ryzen 5-enabled unit had just 8GB of memory. But because none of our benchmarks used more than 8GB, we think that this difference probably was not influential. At press time, the Intel-powered Envy x360 was selling for $849, while its AMD-toting sibling went for $749.

Now, it's important to remember that the CPU is just one component of many in a computer. On most laptops, the screen and the battery capacity will have at least as much influence on battery life as the processor does. In this case, we had two nearly identical systems, but many shoppers will be deciding from among radically different configurations of the same laptop or different models altogether.

The Intel system has 4GB of RAM soldered onto the motherboard so should save a bit of power.

Laptopmag are part of the same group as Anandtech and Toms Hardware.