AMD Zen3 event thread

[Toasty]

It’s really good they have even managed to gain 200 MHz on exact same node

 

[Gerard]

AMD confirms there is Ryzen 9 5900XT and 5950XT coming

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1314287299946057734

Typo apparently

 

[Participant]

I for one am appalled that a publicly-owned enterprise wants to maximise its shareholders' returns in a capitalist free market system.

Let them do what they want, but at 4K, I'll be plumping for a 3600 and put the savings into a better GPU, until the 8 core proposition is better vfm.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Intel users have constantly been banging the drum for the past several years that price/performance doesn't matter and if you want the best gaming performance it's worth any premium. Time to pay up.

Intel is now the value brand!!

£247-£278 for the 10600k with it averaging out at £255 across 14 retailers. If the slides above are correct then it depends if you think the 13% 1080p performance increase is worth it for gaming at that extra £40 ish price.

Honestly if they had brought it out at £249 it would have been an easy win tbh. At the previous £239 RRP then it wouldn't have us all in arms unfortunately.

They could have honestly raised all the other prices as they have and left the 5600x at the lower price and would have not had any of these conversations happening.

Exactly. Also what if Intel unlocks XMP RAM settings on its B and H seriess motherboards?? The Core i5 10400F is now £30~£40 cheaper than a Ryzen 5 3600!!

But, but, but..............................................all that matters is Gaming............................unless you is king of gaming nothing else matters...............even price. Well..............that's what Intel fan boys have been saying for the last 4 years or so.

I didn't buy my Ryzen CPU for its absolute gaming performance relative to Intel!!
But its funny core for core Intel is now cheaper than the Zen3 launch line-up.

It's not as if AMD prices are set in stone once they hit the market.

I think they are seeing if people will accept the price,and if so it will stick. Remember the whole B450/X470 fiasco - it was only because we all complained AMD threw us a bone!

 

[Troezar]

I'll be grabbing whatever the 8 core version, 5800 is it? As soon as I can get my hands on one.

What stood out for me is that AMD want to upsell you from 8C to 12C.
They focussed on the 5900X and the price difference is only $100 which means 22% more money for 50% more cores and a higher boost/larger cache.
But will that be the better gaming CPU as it will have latency issues compared to the single chiplet 8C chip?

It seems a win-win for AMD.
You buy 8C they have excellent margins.
You buy 12C they get to use two faulty chips in 6C mode and get a higher sale price.
Leave the lower tiers for Zen 2 and keep most of the good Zen 3 for the big boy chips where the real money is.
A solid business model.
Well played madam.
She might as well have dressed in bondage gear.
She's the daddy.

I think this is exactly what they're doing.

 

[Xelene]

Too expensive for what it is. They need to be kerb stomping Intel to price this way and they just aren't. It's like for like and it looks like you cant clock these for AMD's for ****.

 

[FoxEye]

I think this is exactly what they're doing.

It's pretty obvious it's what they're doing.

It's also annoying as hell for those of us who just wanted a reasonably priced 8c.

£275 is a reasonably priced 8 core. £450 ain't that.

 

[Gerard]

Too expensive for what it is. They need to be kerb stomping Intel to price this way and they just aren't. It's like for like and it looks like you cant clock these for AMD's for ****.

Hardly like for like if one is a good chunk faster as well as having more cores, there's still no intel 12 core or 16 core cpu.

 

[Troezar]

If these are right then I don't see what the issue is;

We now know the price of AMD's Ryzen 5000 processors:

• AMD Ryzen 9 5950X: $799 (around £620, AU$1,100)
• AMD Ryzen 9 5900X: $549 (around £420, AU$760)
• AMD Ryzen 7 5800X: $449 (around £350, AU$630)
• AMD Ryzen 5 5600X: $299 (around £230, AU$420)

These are slightly higher prices than AMD Ryzen 3rd Generation chips, which also saw higher prices than Ryzen 2000. Here are the prices AMD Ryzen 3000 chips launched at for comparison:

• AMD Ryzen 9 3950X: $749 (about £590, AU$1,080)
• AMD Ryzen 9 3900X: $499 (about £390, AU$720)
• AMD Ryzen 7 3800X: $399 (about £310, AU$580)
• AMD Ryzen 7 3700X: $329 (about £260, AU$480)
• AMD Ryzen 5 3600X: $249 (about £200, AU$360)
• AMD Ryzen 5 3600: $199 (about £160, AU$290)
• AMD Ryzen 5 3400G: $149 (£139, AU$240)
• AMD Ryzen 3 3300G: $99 (£94, AU$144)

They are better by comparison on every level and we are 18 months down the line...

The 3700X was £319.99 at launch. Your prices seem a bit out.

 

[FoxEye]

The 3700X was £319.99 at launch. Your prices seem a bit out.

He hasn't added VAT - he's just done a straight $->£ conversion at today's exchange rate. I checked on xe.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Nvidia Turing pricing was the same tactic - they didn't want to reduce Pascal pricing. Then Nvidia kept the prices higher even after Pascal sold out. Even at £250 a Ryzen 5 5600X isn't massively higher price/performance than a £180~£190 Ryzen 5 3600,if we assume the former is 30% faster overall. At nearly £300 it looks to be worse! AMD better be sandbagging performance at nearly £300!!

Also no 4C models as yields are very high:
https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/1314247639865720833?s=19

So if the Ryzen 5 5600 non-X is $50 cheaper we are talking about £230~£250 for the cheapest Zen3 CPU?

 

[RavenXXX2]

Too expensive for what it is. They need to be kerb stomping Intel to price this way and they just aren't. It's like for like and it looks like you cant clock these for AMD's for ****.

They are kerb stomping them, by up to 21% in games and absolutely destroying them in multicore v an all core 5Ghz 10900k with a 5.3Ghz boost, with more features and cheaper mobos. Intel are irrelevant currently.

 

[RavenXXX2]

DP

 

[Devrij]

As someone on a 2700x, I'll likely pick one of these up on the cheap late next year for a nice extension to my platform's lifetime.

 

[opethdisciple]

There’s murmurs of a Zen3+ in a years time so end of 2022 a year later seems to be reasonable.

Are you saying Zen3 + will be DDR4 based? And Zen5 (or whatever it's gonna be called) will be in 2022?

 

[Troezar]

He hasn't added VAT - he's just done a straight $->£ conversion at today's exchange rate. I checked on xe.

Fair enough but the exchange rate should be whatever it was at launch not today. Either way the figures don't accurately reflect the situation.

I suspect the real issue is people liked AMD because they were cheaper, now they're better the price has gone up. No one likes paying more, the same issue are disgruntled. Intel buyers are also miffed as no cheap AMD pricing to bring Intel prices down. Meanwhile the patient among us are just waiting...

 

[Jokester]

Are you saying Zen3 + will be DDR4 based? And Zen5 (or whatever it's gonna be called) will be in 2022?

That is the murmur on the basis Zen3+ is still AM4.

 

[Guest2]

Hardly like for like if one is a good chunk faster as well as having more cores, there's still no intel 12 core or 16 core cpu.

Yes there is - Intel 16 Core Xeon Gold 6142 Server/Workstation CPU/Processor

Plus many others
https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/products/processors/xeon/e7-processors.html

 

[Kirby Wurm]

I expect we'll see non-X SKU's next year that will represent better value, not that I consider these bad in any way considering the performance on offer.

 

[Troezar]

It's pretty obvious it's what they're doing.

It's also annoying as hell for those of us who just wanted a reasonably priced 8c.

£275 is a reasonably priced 8 core. £450 ain't that.

If we want long competition we need AMD to bank some cash. Remember there competing with both Intel and Nvidia who are both many times larger than AMD. It's quite remarkable what and have been able to do. Without them PC's would be £3-4k a pop.