AMD Zen3 event thread

[subbytna]

With MSI scalping their own GPUs maybe AMD figured they’d cut out the middleman (eBay) and scalp direct (TM).

 

[Joxeon]

I think people are forgetting that AMD can get away with a bump up in price far more easily than an equivalent Intel one, due to the fact they have a large swathe of customers who already own compatible AM4 4xx/5xx motherboards. It isn't the same as Intel raising prices for their next gen at all, with them you'd be reaching for another £100 for a motherboard too.

you can now get a 10850k and a motherboard for the price of a 5900X and for gaming there won't be a noticeable difference but even then it's the 6 and 8 core zen 3 parts that really offer the poor price/performance. $300 for a 6 core is 2017 pricing.

 

[subbytna]

I think people are forgetting that AMD can get away with a bump up in price far more easily than an equivalent Intel one, due to the fact they have a large swathe of customers who already own compatible AM4 4xx/5xx motherboards. It isn't the same as Intel raising prices for their next gen at all, with them you'd be reaching for another £100 for a motherboard too.

Exactly

 

[Deleted member 209350]

The 5800X seems a tad expensive.
Be interesting to see if more expensive then the 3900X.

The 3800x was considered expensive as well, but I assume they have a 5700x coming out at some point as well, which is the 8c chip that the majority of people seem to go for anyway

 

[vapor matt]

Well for me it has given an upgrade path back to an all AMD system which i haven't had since AMD barton with N force chipset, and 9800pro. A few years ago people had hoped AMD would would bring a CPU to the table that would equal the performance of the intel dominance and reduce the pricing of performance.
there were intel CPU's with prices of £1500 + the 17980X the 6950X 10 core before that. and here we have a 5950X 16 core spanking the performance for £750 or less. intel has raped the PC enthusiast for years now and at times it looked real bad for AMD parts performance wise. Just like Intel AMD cant give away
the performance gains made and RND involved. Compared to how intel treated the PC high end market with such high end pricing AMD could have done the same. The release price of the 10 core 6950X was $1700 AMD's release part 5950X is $799 less than half the price, and the 6950X is now 5 years old.

So the upgrade will be

Aorus extreme MB
5950X
Heat killer CPU w/b

and i am done until big navi and hopefully that will get to 3080 performance.

A BIG thumbs up to AMD from me! would be nice to bring Nvidia back down to earth along with intel.

 

[alec]

There’s murmurs of a Zen3+ in a years time so end of 2022 a year later seems to be reasonable.

I really doubt they release next iteration on same AM4 socket.

I was thinking about that - 3.procent in battlefield 5. Maybe it was a gpu bottleneck so the results where in margin of error?

BFV on DX12 is already using all cores so well that there is no CPU bottleneck. 5% improved Zen 3 over Zen 2.
Hat off to AMD for showing that tiny negative result. Tempering expectations a bit. Can't win them all, in some cases high latency still bites you.

Btw they used a rtx 2080ti for the gametesting. Why didn't they used the rtx 3080 or rtx 3090 to avoid possible gpu bottleneck? If the 5900x is indeed faster then using a better gpu would result more in their favor.

Tests were done before 3080 became available (which it still isn't, really)

 

[snips86x]

Twitter is full of people complaining about the prices

 

[Jim Jervis]

I see 1080p high refresh rate gaming popular here all of a sudden lol

lol

 

[vapor matt]

Twitter is full of people complaining about the prices

people will always complain about prices, after all we want everything as cheap as we can get.

 

[Sleepy Stu]

Twitter is full of people complaining about the prices

This is mainly due to the lack of 5700x but as I have said previously this was a calculated move to make the 5800x look like slightly bad value and then people, myself included, are like shall I just spend the extra and get a 5900x

 

[balky12]

people will always complain about prices, after all we want everything as cheap as we can get.

The beautiful thing is with pricing is that if zero stock moves, they get lowered. Everyone wins.

 

[snips86x]

people will always complain about prices, after all we want everything as cheap as we can get.

PC gaming has always carried a premium. Wonder if these are the same people that complain that a. 2080ti was too much.

 

[Joxeon]

PC gaming has always carried a premium. Wonder if these are the same people that complain that a. 2080ti was too much.

Well it clearly was to much when you look at the mad clamour for the much more reasonably priced 3080.

Zen 3 is clearly AMDs Turing moment and it will cost them market share.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

Well it clearly was to much when you look at the mad clamour for the much more reasonably priced 3080.

Zen 3 is clearly AMDs Turing moment and it will cost them market share.

Zen 3, where they can finally move ahead and say they beat intel at everything?
"Turing moment" ?

You're having a laugh. Their market share is just going to keep going up.

 

[shiver]

I will "try" and get a 5900X and "try not" to get a 5950X when they're available.

 

[snips86x]

Well it clearly was to much when you look at the mad clamour for the much more reasonably priced 3080.

Zen 3 is clearly AMDs Turing moment and it will cost them market share.

I don't disagree but that's hindsight, it wasn't seen as terrible until the 3080 was released so that's null and void.

I will "try" and get a 5900X and "try not" to get a 5950X when they're available.

Who are you trying to convince

 

[Armageus]

The beautiful thing is with pricing is that if zero stock moves, they get lowered. Everyone wins.

Exactly - knowing that there is likely a decent margin on these, it means retailers potentially can have better margin, or more chance of "special offers" on them, and there is still the option to make decent price cuts as and when Intel counter in some way.

 

[Nabeshogun]

Even though AMD told gamer's nexus that the have no plans for other SKUs there's a bit of my mind thinking that holding out for a 5600 might be wise in a best bang for your buck kinda mindset ... I've got a feeling everything I want won't be stuff coming out now but in the next wave as everyone tries to compete with the new stuff, like for a gpu something like a 16GB 3070s would maybe be up my alley...

 

[shiver]

Who are you trying to convince

That part of me that seems to be buying stuff to make up for being stuck at home (and the wife)

 

[Armageus]

Even though AMD told gamer's nexus that the have no plans for other SKUs there's a bit of my mind thinking that holding out for a 5600 might be wise in a best bang for your buck kinda mindset ... I've got a feeling everything I want won't be stuff coming out now but in the next wave as everyone tries to compete with the new stuff, like for a gpu something like a 16GB 3070s would maybe be up my alley...

There likely will be other SKUs, but stock availability on 3xxx parts is still good at the moment. Some suppliers even still have a fair quantity of 1xxx and 2xxx parts still available