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AMD Zen3 event thread

Joxeon said:
Which is why I believe AMD have dropped the ball this time around by not offering customers the more sensibly priced 5600 and 5700X as the majority don't care about that extra 100 or 200 MHz but instead want value for money. This has been the key factor in driving up AMDs market share.
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So with these new chips the best value for money option for desktop is perhaps still Zen 2 with the best CPU you can buy being Zen 3 for a premium price. That doesn't sound like dropping the ball to me given intel doesn't seem like a sensible option now for anybody.
 
humbug said:
Lets be honest here.

I'm thinking maybe i'll upgrade to an 8 core CPU, i wouldn't get an 8 core Zen 2, i already have a Zen 2 theres no point.

So, the 5800X is probably going to end up £430, that's expensive and i'm not paying over £400 for an 8 core CPU no matter how good it is.

10700K, 8 cores 16 threads, the 5800X is in every conceivable way better, i'm also not going to be able to overclock it as far as it can with my £50 AIO, it wouldn't be able to cope with the heat.

But its £375, that's a significant difference in price and its by no stretch a bad CPU. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1200-processor-retail-cp-68r-in.html

Look, not only have AMD brought the cost of high performance CPU's down, Until AMD came along with Ryzen we were paying £300 for 4 core 8 thread CPU's and it was AMD who forced Intel to rethink that, AMD's CPU's are now better than Intel's.

I would like to see AMD reap the rewards of what i have no doubt was a lot of very hard work, i'm happy for them to put the prices up a bit, i was expecting it, i think we all were.

So $550 for the 12 core 5900X, fine its $100 more than what the 3900X was, that's the sort of price hike i was expecting, its still good value at that and lets face it its going to humiliate the 10900K.

The 5600X, at $300 i think its just slightly too high but acceptable, its clearly a better CPU than the 10600K and the same sort of price.

The 5800X however its £30 to £50 too much money.
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totally agree I was planning on the 8 core but not sure about it now might as well put in a bit more and get the 5900k
 
Troezar said:
I think they will but just not yet. Take the high end cash, sell off older stock. The 3700X took a lot of sales that may have gone to a higher end SKU otherwise. I'd have bought the 3800X if the 3700X hadn't been released on day 1, AMD lost some money from me, others too.
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Now buyers can pick up a z490 with a 10600k, 10700k or 10850k for either cheaper or the same price with more cores and have a potential upgrade path to rocket lake.
 
5600x comes in at £260, once I sell on my 3600 it will cost about £130. Not bad. Need the extra ipc for emulators that zen 2 currently lags behind Intel in.
 
Joxeon said:
having the gaming crown means nothing without good pricing, just look at What was happening to intels market share.

AMD were 10% behind but with better pricing and people went with AMD yet this time around AMD are 5% ahead with worse pricing . Now if people were willing to forgo a 10% advantage for better pricing the last time around then don't you think people would be even more willing to forgo a 5% lead this time around in favour of better pricing?.
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AMD weren't behind in any meaningful way, there was just a lot of shouting about framerates at 1080p. In pretty much every other measure they were at parity or better value. They still are if you'd like a lot of cores - intel don't really have an offering in the 12-16 core market.

I agree the prices on the 6-8 core SKUs are a little disappointing, perhaps we'll see them drop.
 
Joxeon said:
Now buyers can pick up a z490 with a 10600k, 10700k or 10850k for either cheaper or the same price with more cores and have a potential upgrade path to rocket lake.
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Or you can pick up a B550 and a 3900x cheaper than that 10850K + z490, and have even more cores and an upgrade path to Zen 3 when the price is right for you.


It's kinda funny how this release has flipped the intel argument on its head - last week people were arguing that AMD would get you more cores at a given price-point, but intel might give you a few more FPS if that was important. This week we have the reverse. But the thing is, Zen2 still exists.

If you want more cores, go Zen 2. You'll get better value/more cores than the intel counterpart. If you need the last few FPS, go Zen 3 for top of the range gaming/IPC/single-thread performance.

Intel doesn't have a win on either front.
 
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Troezar said:
Isn't there some debate over whether Z490 will support PCIE 4.0 even on future CPU's?
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Hi, this is out of topic but in your sig I notice you have the 5700XT Red Devil, Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic, I have the 5700xt sapphire nitro+ se and was thnking about getting the Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic is it air cooled ? and wondering what GPU temps you are getting in idle and load and at what RPM ?

Thanks
 
NZXT30 said:
Not at all.

I haven't owned an Intel cpu since 2017. All three of my rigs are AMD but this price creep is greedy.
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I don't see it being greedy. They are still selling the previous gen, they have just positioned the new ones as the premium in each segment. You can still buy a 3900X for £400 or a 3900XT for £475, like wise the 3600 and 3700x are still available and the new CPU work on your old 5 series motherboards

I think if they had stopped selling the previous gen it would be greedy but as is i think they have a right to charge a premium for there latest and greatest considering there performance
 
Troezar said:
Isn't there some debate over whether Z490 will support PCIE 4.0 even on future CPU's?
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CPU will support PCI-E 4.0 but some chipsets on the mobo might not/won't. What does that mean? You can still use the PCI-E 4.0 lanes from the CPU to run the gpu at 4.0 speeds but your ssd's and other peripherals would be limited to the 3.0 speeds. For gaming, you're fine.

10600k + z490 to wait to for RKL is a viable strategy now. No different than people having bought 3600x + x570 to wait for Zen3.
 
cliffy said:
I don't see it being greedy. They are still selling the previous gen, they have just positioned the new ones as the premium in each segment. You can still buy a 3900X for £400 or a 3900XT for £475, like wise the 3600 and 3700x are still available and the new CPU work on your old 5 series motherboards

I think if they had stopped selling the previous gen it would be greedy but as is i think they have a right to charge a premium for there latest and greatest considering there performance
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The real determinant will be whether or not they release a 5700X or a 5600 non-X in the new year.

If they don't, then it's 100% greed. If they just try to push people to higher SKUs than they want/need, and phase out the better value chips, then it's greed.

I'll give them until Q1 2021 to release the value parts. Otherwise, screw AMD.
 
cliffy said:
I don't see it being greedy. They are still selling the previous gen, they have just positioned the new ones as the premium in each segment. You can still buy a 3900X for £400 or a 3900XT for £475, like wise the 3600 and 3700x are still available and the new CPU work on your old 5 series motherboards

I think if they had stopped selling the previous gen it would be greedy but as is i think they have a right to charge a premium for there latest and greatest considering there performance
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This is my stance also.
If someone is on a budget, the 3 series could well be better placed and as stock dries up, the 5 series becomes cheaper, maybe!
 
cliffy said:
I don't see it being greedy. They are still selling the previous gen, they have just positioned the new ones as the premium in each segment. You can still buy a 3900X for £400 or a 3900XT for £475, like wise the 3600 and 3700x are still available and the new CPU work on your old 5 series motherboards

I think if they had stopped selling the previous gen it would be greedy but as is i think they have a right to charge a premium for there latest and greatest considering there performance
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I agree. AMD still offer their more budget friendly options, but I don't see why AMD shouldn't sell premium grade stuff for more premium prices. As the old adage goes, you get what you pay for.
 
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