AMD Zen3 event thread

pc-guy · 9 Oct 2020 at 13:53

Joxeon said:
Gamersnexus said that these chips supposedly have even less OC headroom that the previous gen. Also the fclk won't be clocking higher than it does currently as its using the same IO die from zen 2.

I'm no fan boy of either brand and instead look for price to performance as the metric to measure whether or not a product is good or bad. At the 6 core price point we are getting 25% more performance for 50% more money so to me that doesn't look great and at the 8 core there is a 37% price increase so performance per $ is actually going backwards.

question is how does Steve know? he doesnt have the chip. no one does...its all assumption.

infinity fabric is memeory access it is the IO die it has nothing to do with what the core can and cant do.

GN is a long term AMD basher...we will all do well just ignore all the noise and see what happens when bench marks and reviews come out.

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2020 at 13:56

Vince said:
No it's what you have become used to from AMD over a few product releases, not what normally happens in the industry as a whole. no historical data supports that ever really happening before. The 10900k is the 9900k replacement, msrp of 9900k? It was $488, msrp of 10900k? $600...

Progress at the same price rarely ever happens in the tech world.

Sorry but that's absolute nonsense.

If it were normal for prices to rise, then, starting with something like the 8088 CPU from Intel, modern CPU prices should be tens of thousand of pounds.

I really am amazed you'd make this argument at all, unless I'm misunderstanding you.

alec · 9 Oct 2020 at 13:59

Joxeon said:
Zen 3 is clearly AMDs Turing moment and it will cost them market share.

Why not a Pascal moment? Set a target so high your rival will struggle to hit it for next 3 years.
You are focusing on prices only. Absolute performance is bigger news

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:00

alec said:
You are focusing on prices only. Absolute performance is bigger news

To people with unlimited funds, maybe.

alec · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:03

FoxEye said:
To people with unlimited funds, maybe.

Nobody is forcing anybody to buy Zen 3. If you are happy with second best, go Intel, go Zen 2 (which you must admit is very affordable).

Armageus · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:05

alec said:
Nobody is forcing anybody to buy Zen 3. If you are happy with second best, go Intel, go Zen 2 (which you must admit is very affordable).

or wait for the inevitable price cuts at some point.

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:05

alec said:
Nobody is forcing anybody to buy Zen 3. If you are happy with second best, go Intel, go Zen 2 (which you must admit is very affordable).

Unless you buy the 5950X then you're settling for "2nd best" in some way.

So I guess you're buying a 5950X then?

Vince · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:08

FoxEye said:
Sorry but that's absolute nonsense.

If it were normal for prices to rise, then, starting with something like the 8088 CPU from Intel, modern CPU prices should be tens of thousand of pounds.

I really am amazed you'd make this argument at all, unless I'm misunderstanding you.

I think we are getting wires crossed, or im being an idiot. One of those thing is happening. Right now i'm not even sure what I am saying anymore

. What I do know is that they don't look too expensive to me and given the uplift for the money actually think they are priced pretty well.

benjii · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:12

Vince said:
What I do know is that they don't look too expensive to me and given the uplift for the money actually think they are priced pretty well.

I agree. Assuming we take the presentation at face value, it's industry leading performance at a similar price to the last gen.

Are people just unhappy about the $50 increase or am I missing something else?

ljt · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:13

Vince said:
Hmmm the wiki does not agree with the google... or many release day reviews. I may be wrong but I still stick by it not being the norm in this industry. Ahh on further inspection the msrp was 488 but you couldn't actually buy it for 488 on release... nice.

Yeah, the reason you couldn't get one for $488 was down to supply issues, so an external factor really. Had the supply been good then it would have hit MSRP

Joxeon · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:15

alec said:
Why not a Pascal moment? Set a target so high your rival will struggle to hit it for next 3 years.
You are focusing on prices only. Absolute performance is bigger news

Because Pascal offered 60+% performance at around the same price points whereas Turing offered 25% for 50% more cash or the same performance for the same price which is around what AMD is offering here on the 6 and 8 core SKUs

danlightbulb · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:16

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3ca-am.html

£530 UK price.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3cb-am.html

£429 UK price.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3cc-am.html

£290 UK price.

alec · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:16

FoxEye said:
Unless you buy the 5950X then you're settling for "2nd best" in some way.
So I guess you're buying a 5950X then?

Considering it.
Until there are more benchmarks available the question is premature. 5950X is best at ST Cinebench and probably all multicore stuff. Neither is relevant to me.

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:20

danlightbulb said:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3ca-am.html

£530 UK price.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3cb-am.html

£429 UK price.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3cc-am.html

£290 UK price.

So who is considering buying a 5600X at £300 then?

Anybody?

ljt · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:21

benjii said:
I agree. Assuming we take the presentation at face value, it's industry leading performance at a similar price to the last gen.

Is the price argument just about the $50 increase or am I missing something?

For me personally it's the principle. These price rises of replacement products has been getting worse these last few years.

It's happening across all companies, Nvidia started with a little increase in msrp between maxwell to pascal, then a larger increase between pascal and turing, then backtracked very slightly with turing to ampere, but trend still indicates more expensive overall

Now it seems AMD is price creeping, yes $50 might not sound much as an absolute amount, but the lower down the stack you go it becomes a bigger % of increase on the overall cost.

Slinky69 · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:21

danlightbulb said:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3ca-am.html

£530 UK price.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3cb-am.html

£429 UK price.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3cc-am.html

£290 UK price.

Thanks

ljt · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:23

FoxEye said:
So who is considering buying a 5600X at £300 then?

Anybody?

You can guarantee if there is even a whiff of supply issues those prices are only going to go up as well

danlightbulb · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:23

Im disappointed. Spent £300 for an X370 motherboard and a 1700X CPU in January 2018. Now an equivalent combination is £550-£650.

alec · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:26

FoxEye said:
So who is considering buying a 5600X at £300 then?
Anybody?

Are you being sarcastic?
Of all Zen 3 processors, 5600X is the most tempting one.
Faster than 3800X in multicore/productivity
Faster than 10900K in gaming and single core. Probably within a shout from top Zen3 too.
And all that in 65W.

vapor matt · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:27

5950X for me, and i am done for another 18 months.