AMD Zen3 event thread

Joxeon · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:28

danlightbulb said:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3ca-am.html

£530 UK price.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3cb-am.html

£429 UK price.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3cc-am.html

£290 UK price.

We're now in a situation where buying the 2 lower SKUs your not getting a increase at all and maybe even a loss in multi core performance at those price points from the previous gen.

Armageus · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:28

FoxEye said:
So who is considering buying a 5600X at £300 then?

Anybody?

no one, but I imagine there will be some who consider it at £289.99

Whether the IPC increase, 100mhz boost and 30w lower TDP are worth the extra to you is irrelevant - for some it will be

Steveh_monkey · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:28

I've not done thorough market research, but by looking at the best selling CPU charts on a certain internet retailer I get the impression £290 is more than most people are willing to pay for a CPU? It seems the majority of people aim for something in the £200 or less bracket. I think that might be the central cause of the annoyance, the cheapest CPU of the new lineup is a decent amount more that most people would spend on a CPU.
Hopefully the 5600x will be the best performing CPU at that price point on release. I was hoping the launch would have something in ~£200 price bracket for me but I can just about stretch to £290.

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:30

alec said:
Are you being sarcastic?
Of all Zen 3 processors, 5600X is the most tempting one.
Faster than 3800X in multicore/productivity
Faster than 10900K in gaming and single core. Probably within a shout from top Zen3 too.
And all that in 65W.

Wait, +19% IPC but -25% cores makes it faster in multicore/productivity?

Think I'll wait for benchmarks before drinking that particular Koolaid... heh.

doodah · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:30

Are reviewer NDAs being lifted on November 5th?

benjii · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:30

Steveh_monkey said:
I've not done thorough market research, but by looking at the best selling CPU charts on a certain internet retailer I get the impression £290 is more than most people are willing to pay for a CPU? It seems the majority of people aim for something in the £200 or less bracket. I think that might be the central cause of the annoyance, the cheapest CPU of the new lineup is a decent amount more that most people would spend on a CPU.
Hopefully the 5600x will be the best performing CPU at that price point on release. I was hoping the launch would have something in ~£200 price bracket for me but I can just about stretch to £290.

Yeah, there's a reason the R5 3600 was so popular. However, this forum is definitely the 1% of PC hardware users and will see a skew towards the 5800X and the 5900X.

Armageus · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:30

Steveh_monkey said:
I've not done thorough market research, but by looking at the best selling CPU charts on a certain internet retailer I get the impression £290 is more than most people are willing to pay for a CPU? It seems the majority of people aim for something in the £200 or less bracket.

Look at the Steam Surveys - the majority of PC gamers have Quad cores, with a substantial amount of people with only Dual cores (e.g. I3's)

alec · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:31

FoxEye said:
Wait, +19% IPC but -25% cores makes it faster in multicore/productivity?

Think I'll wait for benchmarks before drinking that particular Koolaid... heh.

3600 matches 2700X in multicore. Same thing.

Vince · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:32

FoxEye said:
Wait, +19% IPC but -25% cores makes it faster in multicore/productivity?

Think I'll wait for benchmarks before drinking that particular Koolaid... heh.

Its not that far fetched if 3600 performs basically the same as 2700x which from my testing it does.

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:32

Armageus said:
no one, but I imagine there will be some who consider it at £289.99

Whether the IPC increase, 100mhz boost and 30w lower TDP are worth the extra to you is irrelevant - for some it will be

Don't know if you noticed but it was a question... I was asking if anyone here was looking to spend £300 on a 5600X.

benjii · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:33

doodah said:
Are reviewer NDAs being lifted on November 5th?

There's no official word yet. However, if it's like previous launches then NDAs will be up on the 5th, maybe a day or two before if we're lucky.

Vince · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:34

FoxEye said:
Don't know if you noticed but it was a question... I was asking if anyone here was looking to spend £300 on a 5600X.

Ill probably buy one to replace the 3600 in the wifes machine, not on launch ill wait until the dust/prices settle down a bit and until her b450 gets an update.

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:34

alec said:
3600 matches 2700X in multicore. Same thing.

You didn't say "matches", you said "faster". They don't mean the same thing.

You just said the 5600X would be "faster" in multicore/productivity than a 3800X.

alec said:
Are you being sarcastic?
Of all Zen 3 processors, 5600X is the most tempting one.
Faster than 3800X in multicore/productivity
Faster than 10900K in gaming and single core. Probably within a shout from top Zen3 too.
And all that in 65W.

Vince · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:35

FoxEye said:
You didn't say "matches", you said "faster". They don't mean the same thing.

You just said the 5600X would be "faster" in multicore/productivity than a 3800X.

I recon it will match it multi core but be faster in gaming a bit like the 3600 vs 2700x. So overall the 5600x will come out the slightly faster chip across all workloads.

Armageus · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:37

FoxEye said:
Don't know if you noticed but it was a question... I was asking if anyone here was looking to spend £300 on a 5600X.

Given that it's not £300 though, probably not

doodah · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:40

Armageus said:
Given that it's not £300 though, probably not

I feel you're going to be making this correction several more times

!!!

alec · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:41

FoxEye said:
You didn't say "matches", you said "faster". They don't mean the same thing.
You just said the 5600X would be "faster" in multicore/productivity than a 3800X.

Yes, I expect so, because IPC gain is higher this time.

We know VERY little about 5600X performance, the only slide compared it to 10600K and showed
13% faster in games
19% faster in single thread
20% faster in multicore.

CuriousTomCat · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:48

The 5600X should destroy the 3700X in both single and multi. So it's actually more performance for less money considering the 3700X launched at £329.99. The fact the 3700X has dropped since launch is irrelevant.

Brumboy · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:48

CuriousTomCat said:
The 5600X should destroy the 3700X in both single and multi. So it's actually more performance for less money considering the 3700X launched at £329.99. The fact the 3700X has dropped since launch is irrelevant.

Yeah but how much % faster is it in single? 19%?

Joxeon · 9 Oct 2020 at 14:52

CuriousTomCat said:
The 5600X should destroy the 3700X in both single and multi. So it's actually more performance for less money considering the 3700X launched at £329.99. The fact the 3700X has dropped since launch is irrelevant.

It won't win in multi core workloads just like the 5800X won't beat the now cheaper 3900X in multi core.

Hense a regression in multi core performance per $.

Also if these chips don't beat an overclocked 10600k in games then AMD will look like clowns.