Ok guys, now I am back on my computer, I have the opportunity to post something a bit more coherent since posting from a Samsung C3050 is not fun.
I have to say, the whole approach to this is extremely OTT even for OcUK. If this was simply about a duplicate account of a permabannee then he could have simply been re permabanned at request to a mod and there really was no need for all of this. DRZ I am really trying to understand why have you and the guys gone to so much effort with this approach?
Also, you could have just asked me as it is no secret that I know Lucero and this has been clear to see on most of his accounts.
If we held the actions of everyone’s past against them indefinitely, be it on here or in real life, especially if they appear to, or noticeably have changed then I am sure all of us could start crossing names off our friends lists.
Lucero is not the same person he was when he was posting as Oracle and there are many reasons for this but beyond that, I don’t need to defend him. Rules are rules though so if the mods choose to ban him that is fair enough. Perhaps a poll, perhaps an outright banning?
I'm losing my mind staying up talking to people, replying to emails and stuff so this will be my last post of the evening on here.
OcUK has a long history of outing those that wish to pull the wool. Most often, this is done in public rather than behind the scenes. Tom with his lies around his cars, people posting photos taken in broad daylight and then claiming for them to have been just taken, at midnight, with the sun streaming in through the windows. People posting spec lists copied and pasted from other forums, the list goes on and that is just Motors. Tefal does a sterling job keeping the BSers over in GD in check. Never in private, always outed to the community.
A lot of what goes on is all between people that do not know each other so text can be taken out of context, especially when someone as unskilled at prose as I am is delivering the message. We've had people interpret things in many different ways but hey, thats life and part and parcel of the internet.
Let's make sure we know that the poster and the account can often be divergant. I post in a style that is very similar to how I am in the real world. I type how I talk for the most part. Others have an entire internet persona that they keep completely separate from the real them. I even know some people that have had an internet persona how they wanted to be in real life and then slowly tried to become that person. Each to their own, but in every case know that when stuff like this happens it is never personal and always between internets. Sure, everyone can let it get personal, everyone probably has and people have certainly blown up over stuff on the internet but it helps to remember that we're all pretty disassociated from it all sat behind our screens.
On the whole, we've had a Lucero account that rubs a few people up the wrong way but people believe is a decent poster - and a whole string of Perma'd accounts in his wake. I've had a private chat with Lucero tonight and I can't say that I hold the same opinion that I did at 9pm when I clicked the submit button. My opinion on the rules is the same though. A bit of a mess there.
To be clear on the whole "effort" thing. Some people have a head for details, others have amazing memories, others are great at spotting trends and similarities. When a few of those types of people share a common base like this forum and you talk off the cuff about things, certain things crop up. Just like they would if you noticed someone in your local that always turns up wearing a suit turns up in jeans. Gradually you build up a picture and notice things. It doesn't take much if anything to realise something is out of place or familiar and you THEN realise that the memory guy remembers x y and z. A quick google and you have some URLs, another quick search and there you go, more commonality. A little bit of geeky knowledge about filenames and stuff and you've got a lot of information in a *very* short space of time and you decide to act. This isn't like planning an operation over months, things just conspire to give you the information. Then you dress it up with some lulz about a shadowy elite and present it to the masses. Let the community be the judge of the evidence.
