Ancient Ruins destroyed

John40 · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:30

I wonder if the Uk supporters of ISIS could be hired to do some demolition on some of our more downbeat housing estates.

do_ron_ron · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:38

Sliver said:
Nothing surprises with me with IS. They're all completely evil and twisted. The sooner they're all dead and gone the better.

Typical one sided argument. No mention of the US troops that looted the museums in Iraq during their invasion.

If you were not so biased you would realise that throughout history it is the warmongers of all colours, all religions, all sects that destroy culture.

Sliver · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:40

do_ron_ron said:
Typical one sided argument. No mention of the US troops that looted the museums in Iraq during their invasion.

If you were not so biased you would realise that throughout history it is the warmongers of all colours, all religions, all sects that destroy culture.

I take it you support IS then as you disagree with me. In what way do you support or agree with them ?

If you do agree with my statement, then all you've done is straw man me, which is a common fallacy used by people all the time and as such I can just dismiss your comment.

StriderX · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:40

do_ron_ron said:
Typical one sided argument. No mention of the US troops that looted the museums in Iraq during their invasion.

If you were not so biased you would realise that throughout history it is the warmongers of all colours, all religions, all sects that destroy culture.

Looting for profit is somewhat different to outright destruction.

do_ron_ron · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:45

Sliver said:
I take it you support IS then as you disagree with me. In what way do you support or agree with them ?

Typical one sided argument. If you do not support what I say you must belong/agree with the perps.

Childish, childish argument.

Perhaps you did not see or more likely you did not want to see what I wrote

... throughout history it is the warmongers of all colours, all religions, all sects that destroy culture

What part of that do you not understand.

Sliver · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:48

do_ron_ron said:
Typical one sided argument. If you do not support what I say you must belong/agree with the perps.

Childish, childish argument.

Repeating your fallacy and then using ad hominem against me ( another fallacy ) doesn't carry the discussion forward. I asked you a question but you have failed to answer. Maybe you can't ?

kedge · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:48

Dimple said:
Gobsmacked, I thought you was the God guy.
How would you feel if IS took a bulldozer to all the famous Christian monuments?

God is not made of stone, the destruction of these ancient ruins or artefacts whatever means nothing to me personally, whilst i appreciate the effort some made in the construction of them i would rather see the islamic state militants blow the crap out of these spiritless antiquities than real living human beings.

sand_dune said:
world's ugliest stone dolls they surely deserve to die.

Lol.

Destination · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:50

kedge said:
God is not made of stone, the destruction of these ancient ruins or artefacts whatever means nothing to me personally, whilst i appreciate the effort some made in the construction of them i would rather see the islamic state militants blow the crap out of these spiritless antiquities than real living human beings.

Lol.

Don't worry, they are doing both in droves.
DOing one doesn't prevent them doing the other, they happily take a break from burning people to use a jackhammer on a bit of an idol made of stone.

do_ron_ron · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:52

StriderX said:
Looting for profit is somewhat different to outright destruction.

One of the correspondents in the Middle East said during one of the rolling news channels that IS may have done this to hide the fact that they had been looting and selling artifacts on the black market to fund their campaign. Looting is little different from destruction. As these artifacts are known and will not be able to sell on the open market they are hidden away in private collections. The people who own them are denied ownership, scholars are denied studying them and the curious are denied seeing them. To all intents and purposes they are destroyed.

£15 · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:55

scorza said:
I just don't see the point of getting angry about what they're doing to some ancient ruins when they've already done far, far worse.

I don't see the point of people getting angry about people not getting angry and joining the angry people. But then this is GD. :rolleyes:

PS To avoid confusing and you getting angry, I'm not angry about you.

Sliver · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:55

kedge said:
God is not made of stone...

How do you know ? Evidence please.

AdladUK · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:56

People on this forum can literally argue about anything can't they

do_ron_ron · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:56

Sliver said:
Repeating your fallacy and then using ad hominem against me ( another fallacy ) doesn't carry the discussion forward. I asked you a question but you have failed to answer. Maybe you can't ?

Hiding your ill disguised biased attempts behind faux indignation. Which fallacy? Hypocrite! Trying to excuse your bias by claiming someone who disagrees with you is biased.
You still are obviously incapable of understanding the point I repeated twice. Please get help with understanding the English language.

Destination · 8 Mar 2015 at 10:59

Sliver said:
How do you know ? Evidence please.

His God. He has 'faith', he knows what his God is. He can't prove it, but he doesn't need to, he has faith and his scriptures. Like other people with faith.
Stop trying to disprove faith by scientific argument or logical process. You can't, faith itself is its own proof.
Ignore that which you do not understand, as you cannot understand it, as it requires faith to understand, you cannot rationalise the irrational.

Sliver · 8 Mar 2015 at 11:01

do_ron_ron said:
Hiding your ill disguised biased attempts behind faux indignation. Which fallacy? Hypocrite! Trying to excuse your bias by claiming someone who disagrees with you is biased.
You still are obviously incapable of understanding the point I repeated twice. Please get help with understanding the English language.

You took a quote I posted from a conversation I was having with others and then posted it now, so that it's now out of context, and then accused me of being biased because I never mentioned Americans looting. This is an example of the straw man fallacy. You don't know what my opinion is on American's looting, you have just assumed I'm ok with it, even though I've said nothing about it, and used that assumption to infer that I'm biased and childish and a hypocrite. ( the childish part is the ad hominem fallacy ).

Sliver · 8 Mar 2015 at 11:03

Hikari Kisugi said:
His God. He has 'faith', he knows what his God is. He can't prove it, but he doesn't need to, he has faith and his scriptures. Like other people with faith.
Stop trying to disprove faith by scientific argument or logical process. You can't, faith itself is its own proof.
Ignore that which you do not understand, as you cannot understand it, as it requires faith to understand, you cannot rationalise the irrational.

Faith is the excuse people give when they have no good reason for their beliefs. Faith is not a virtue, it's a vice.

do_ron_ron · 8 Mar 2015 at 11:08

Sliver said:
You took a quote I posted from a conversation I was having with others and then posted it now, so that it's now out of context, and accused me of being biased because I never mentioned Americans looting. This is an example of the straw man fallacy. You don't know what my opinion is on American's looting, you have just assumed I'm ok with it, even though I've said nothing about it, and used that assumption to infer that I'm biased and childish and a hypocrite. ( the childish part is the ad hominem fallacy ).

I have read you other posts in other threads and you are biased when it comes to the Mid east. A point shared by others in that thread. Trying to squirm out from your posting by saying it was taken out of context will not wash. It was biased by concentrating on one sides actions and the language used in the posting. I hate all extremists whether political or economic as they destroy and cause suffering to people and do not advance civilisation one jot.

Sliver · 8 Mar 2015 at 11:14

do_ron_ron said:
I have read you other posts in other threads and you are biased when it comes to the Mid east. A point shared by others in that thread. Trying to squirm out from your posting by saying it was taken out of context will not wash. It was biased by concentrating on one sides actions and the language used in the posting. I hate all extremists whether political or economic as they destroy and cause suffering to people and do not advance civilisation one jot.

I'm not biased at all, my opinions are based on the things I've seen and read. The fact that my opinion is different to others opinions does not in any way make me biased. Also, trying to back up your argument with an ad populum fallacy doesn't wash with me. Several people on this miniscule part of the internet may disagree with me and try to assert I am biased but why should I care ? Many people share my position, but I wouldn't use them as a prop for my argument because it's fallacious. Fallacies seem to be a trait with you. You've made several already in a short space of time. It's not a good thing and you should read up on them and try to avoid doing it because it just cripples your arguments.

Destination · 8 Mar 2015 at 11:14

Sliver said:
Faith is the excuse people give when they have no good reason for their beliefs. Faith is not a virtue, it's a vice.

Might be, but it is still the only answer you'll get.

Sliver · 8 Mar 2015 at 11:17

Hikari Kisugi said:
Might be, but it is still the only answer you'll get.

Indeed. Some theists though who start to become sceptical about their faith are often amenable to atheist arguments and it's them who I hope read these kind of things as it might be helping them on the path to atheism.