Great solution!, as long as you have one..
And another new way to nick your car...
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Great solution!, as long as you have one..
Funny to see expensive brand new cars having to go to the length of fitting one of these nowadays lol
Yea but who would want to steal an alfa anyway... youd probably have to pay them to come nick it.
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Funny to see expensive brand new cars having to go to the length of fitting one of these nowadays lol
BUT! YOu need to save those 5 seconds pressing the button to get into the car
To then lose 60 seconds taking that monstrosity off!
Maybe we will go back to push in type immobilisers, and removeable steering wheels as the deterrent
60? Try 5 seconds.
People moan about using a disklock and about how much of an inconvenience it is, when in the grand scheme of things it's a small drop in the ocean. I've had mine for 10+ years and wouldn't be without it.
Saying that, I really hope they don't increase in popularity. I like the fact that they're so rare and that there are so many performance cars out there without them fitted. If more and more cars start having them fitted, criminals will go to even greater lengths to get the keys.
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Only way I can see it taking 5 seconds is if you throw it on the passenger seat, I am old enough to have been around when people were using them in Escort turbos etc. I think my mates had more damage caused by rogue disklocks than anything else to interior because they were throwing them in the back or into the passenger footwell etc
Where do you put it when you have a car full of people?
Indeed, it's ridiculous, the whole point of keyless is that it's convenient, nobody who specs keyless is going to use that.
Oh I don't dispute that having it rolling around in the car is a bad idea... I tend to put mine in the rear footwell where it stays pretty snug. I've never damaged any interior trim when removing or refitting.
But again, opening the boot and plonking it in there doesn't take 60 seconds.
Do you leave your shopping bags on the road next to your car and drive off because it's a huge inconvenience to put them in the boot?
But again, opening the boot and plonking it in there doesn't take 60 seconds.
Do you leave your shopping bags on the road next to your car and drive off because it's a huge inconvenience to put them in the boot?
Actually I think that makes it easier to steal. Less potential witnesses. Once they break in to the garage they have all day if no one is home. Insurance for cars parked on the roadside is often cheaper because it's out in the open and the thief can't be sure which house has the keys.
Some of the steering wheel locks can be cut off in seconds. Or they just cut the whole wheel off and drive it away using grips. A second hand wheel isn't expensive.
TBH the best way to stop someone driving off with your car is to remove certain fuses or replace them with duds, like the ones for the ignition coils or fuel pump. Simple but it would take ages to diagnose
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No way your getting in the car to unlock that, getting it out, walking round to the rear passenger footwell, or leaning round carefully to put it in there in 5 seconds.
Of course I put my shopping in the boot, but i go directly there and plonk it in, I don't need to open the drivers door, reach in and unlock it, take it off
As I said it makes no sense, pointless to have a labour saving device that takes longer than the original "problem" your trying to fix
A disklock is only as good as the key. They were for the ages when you could get into most cars with a teaspoon!
Pretty much the same time as them you could get an electronic aftermarket immobiliser, it did a far better job but cost a bit more. They ended up built into keys which is pretty much where we still are today.
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Not if you spend £1000 on uber bollards to stop them
All you have to do then is lower uber bollards, walk up to car (no need to press button as car will open for you), get in, remove some metal contraption, find somewhere safe to put metal contraption, reverse out, get out, shut garage door, get back in and drive off.
Sounds like a way more optimal solution than having to press unlock and insert a key
I was referring to the time taken to remove the actual disklock, nothing about getting in the car or putting the disklock in the boot. You quite cleary said...
By which point I'm already sat in the car ready to go.
Key in, arm up, disk open, remove from wheel, disk closed, arm down. Can be done in 5 seconds.
Pretty obvious that I wasn't including getting into the car and putting the wheel in the boot in that time..
Anyway, each to their own, I'll carry on using mine and god forbid... waste 5 seconds of my time taking it off before I start the car.
By which point I'm already sat in the car ready to go.
Key in, arm up, disk open, remove from wheel, disk closed, arm down. Can be done in 5 seconds.
Pretty obvious that I wasn't including getting into the car and putting the wheel in the boot in that time..
Anyway, each to their own, I'll carry on using mine and god forbid... waste 5 seconds of my time taking it off before I start the car.
They just have the problem of having to break into a garage first. Why don't these criminals just go around the back of the house and break into the house, grab the keys and drive off? It's because they don't want to enter the property to pinch it, that's what this whole keyless entry hysteria all about - people *not* having to enter the property to steal the car.
If someone broke into my garage they could just walk into my house, grab the keys and leave. Maybe there needs to be some hysteria about electric garage doors now too.
Anyway, the benefits of all this keyless *****, for me, well outweigh my worries about my car being pinched and if it does one day get stolen, my insurance company will buy me a replacement and that will have keyless entry/go too.
I see you're taking about fobs rather than keyless - I think they're still ridiculously hard to hack and need multiple intercepted codes to get an algorithm - not sure how the one in that article works recycling the code ??
The solution is really simple and wouldn't be a big cost for car makers.
On models with keyless entry/start etc, simply have inductive charging built into the fob. That way you can simply charge the battery in the fob off any wireless charging pad, the same ones you use on your smartphone, for example. When the fob is sat on the pad, it "shuts down" and only charges the battery, it will not receive or emit any signals as long as it's on the pad. The moment you take the fob off the charging pad, it goes to normal.
It's simple, and easy to implement, and charging pads are super cheap and readily available everywhere.
On models with keyless entry/start etc, simply have inductive charging built into the fob. That way you can simply charge the battery in the fob off any wireless charging pad, the same ones you use on your smartphone, for example. When the fob is sat on the pad, it "shuts down" and only charges the battery, it will not receive or emit any signals as long as it's on the pad. The moment you take the fob off the charging pad, it goes to normal.
It's simple, and easy to implement, and charging pads are super cheap and readily available everywhere.
That's an alternative, not really a better one. The better one is the one that also charges the battery at the same time rather than draining it further by waking up circuitry every time the fob is nudged or moved during the day.
Inductive charging coils have been in car keys since the 1990s, just at non standard frequencies.
Inductive charging coils have been in car keys since the 1990s, just at non standard frequencies.
Without even looking for stats, I'm confident the number of cars stolen with keys via burglary is monumentally higher than the number stolen via wireless key interception methods.