And another new way to nick your car...

mrk said:
The solution is really simple and wouldn't be a big cost for car makers.

On models with keyless entry/start etc, simply have inductive charging built into the fob. That way you can simply charge the battery in the fob off any wireless charging pad, the same ones you use on your smartphone, for example. When the fob is sat on the pad, it "shuts down" and only charges the battery, it will not receive or emit any signals as long as it's on the pad. The moment you take the fob off the charging pad, it goes to normal.

It's simple, and easy to implement, and charging pads are super cheap and readily available everywhere.
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Pretty pointless when the main advantage of not having to push your key into a slot in the dash is that you can just keep it in your pocket/bag etc
If you have to specifically find it to place it in a certain place, that may as well be the dash lol
 
agw_01 said:
I was referring to the time taken to remove the actual disklock, nothing about getting in the car or putting the disklock in the boot. You quite cleary said...



By which point I'm already sat in the car ready to go.

Key in, arm up, disk open, remove from wheel, disk closed, arm down. Can be done in 5 seconds.

Pretty obvious that I wasn't including getting into the car and putting the wheel in the boot in that time..

Anyway, each to their own, I'll carry on using mine and god forbid... waste 5 seconds of my time taking it off before I start the car.
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I mean't the cycle time, clearly you want that secured not ready to become a projectile in the event of an accident, so you save a few seconds then spend longer securing it.
Seems pretty pointless to me, but like I said I saw them and the arms and all the contraptions years ago, we moved away from them for a reason, well most did ;) :P
 
If we are going to have to use wheel locks again, they might as well go back to a physical key and hole for better security AND convenience...
 
What was actually wrong with putting a key into the ignition and turning it? It takes 2 seconds, and is ultimately safer than keyless (as shown in this latest example).

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Pretty pointless when the main advantage of not having to push your key into a slot in the dash is that you can just keep it in your pocket/bag etc
If you have to specifically find it to place it in a certain place, that may as well be the dash lol
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I was actually on about when it's at home or wherever for long periods of time, not when driving.
 
mrk said:
What was actually wrong with putting a key into the ignition and turning it? It takes 2 seconds, and is ultimately safer than keyless (as shown in this latest example).




I was actually on about when it's at home or wherever for long periods of time, not when driving.
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Ah right didnt get the home it.

I agree on the key thing, although a modern key includes an immobiliser so the push in process is fine to me
 
Clarkey said:
Maybe so but it impacts on the main selling point of the system i.e. convenience. It isn't so convenient to have to set up some kind of pad and carefully put your keys on it every time.
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Agreed, and the key doesn't need to be charged daily anyway so what's the point? Sometimes my car key is in my jacket pocket which gets put away in the cupboard, sometimes it's on top of one of my storage units, sometimes it's on my desk. Having to put it on a special charging pad as part of the car's security system would be really annoying.
 
mrk said:
What was actually wrong with putting a key into the ignition and turning it? It takes 2 seconds, and is ultimately safer than keyless (as shown in this latest example).
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Depends by what you define as safer. Whilst the car may stay on the drive, you can get some pretty severe leg injuries when impaling your knees on the bunch of keys dangling from the ignition barrel, hence why Saab put theirs in the centre of the car and locked the car in reverse.
 
Only for the really lanky :p

There's no way my knees are hitting the keys, if it ever came to that, then there's be far more severe injuries to worry about!
 
mrk said:
What was actually wrong with putting a key into the ignition and turning it? It takes 2 seconds, and is ultimately safer than keyless (as shown in this latest example).
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It's actually annoying and clumsy once you are used to the modern way of doing it. I'm forever accidentally leaving the ignition on when I get out of the Mini as I forget it has a silly key in a slot.

Keyless go is safe and doesn't always mean you have keyless entry too.
 
Funny and slightly scary story I got yesterday asking a coworker if he had keyless entry as well as go. (Jag XF)
He said only go, not entry, someone cheapskated on the options. But the followup story was interesting which I hadn't heard.

One of our other coworkers had a hire car in holland a few weeks back. He pulled into a petrol station to top up on the way back to the hire car place at the airport, got to the airport and couldn't find the keys

Eventually they worked out he had put them on top of the pump at the petrol station (some 30 miles or so away), had got back into the car after paying and driven off, it was close enough to the car that the keyless was in range so able to start.

We had assumed that if the keys ended up more than a certain distance the signal would be lost and a warning would come up. Seems not, as long as they are close enough to be detected when pressing start the cars is happy and doesn't check again at any point if the keys are near. Not sure what make, will ask this guy when I see him, but pretty darn scary that you could get into your car, somehow drop the keys but be close enough to the car to start it and the drive off with your keys in the gutter or something!
 
Sounds like a poor system. With mine the key had to be inside the car for it to start, even if you had the door open and held it just outside it wouldn't go.
 
Strange. Every car I’ve ever driven with keyless go has been able to detect if the key is inside the vehicle (even opening the window and putting the key in and out of it).
 
Simon said:
What if you start the car then get out ?
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Mine honks the horn a few times if you do that. If you get back in and close the drivers door without the key it chimes and puts 'Remote not detected' in the instrument cluster. You'd struggle to ignore it!
 
I saw said person a little while ago so asked him what car, it was a golf, so VW

He said he had no warning which he thought was odd as in his 3 series it complains when you get out with the key

Could you disable it maybe, could be a reason why a hire company may want to do this? Cant think of one but there may be a reason why would

Could be interesting to see what the ranges are, eg on top of a petrol pump could be a lot closer to the drivers seat than say in a coat pocket in the boot.
 
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