And boomers wonder why millennials are bitter towards them..

[FoxEye]

Flexibility is a massive benefit in the current environment with insecure work. There is also the benefit of the landlord being responsible for all repairs.

And the disadvantage that if you ask the landlord to do the repair they might just chuck you out instead And hope for a tenant that's less "entitled"

How do you think we arrived at the situation we have in this country - where MPs have stood up in Parliament and admitted that 1/3 of rental housing falls below the minimum standard for human habitation.

1/3. Don't believe me look it up

 

[FoxEye]

Same in the northwest, you can easily buy a house for £100k-£120k.

People just want to live in london and can't understand why they can't buy a £800k house on minimum wage...

You can add the entirety of the South West to "London", and other places besides.

It's not just a "London" problem.

 

[The Running Man]

This is what I did, rent a house with a couple of friends so the rent outlay was small.

Drive a 2 grand car.

Seldom went on holiday.

Save £500 a month in the bank.

Put down deposit and bought house...

People want to lease a car for £400 or rent a basement in London for £800.

Complain they can't afford a house. Basically you're doing it wrong.

 

[Rroff]

And the disadvantage that if you ask the landlord to do the repair they might just chuck you out instead And hope for a tenant that's less "entitled"

How do you think we arrived at the situation we have in this country - where MPs have stood up in Parliament and admitted that 1/3 of rental housing falls below the minimum standard for human habitation.

1/3. Don't believe me look it up

When I've rented they've been only too happy to do repairs, etc...... then add it onto the rent as an increase at the earliest possible opportunity and/or try and take it from the deposit when you leave...

This is what I did, rent a house with a couple of friends so the rent outlay was small.

To be fair not everyone has the opportunity to rent a house with friends and/or for various reasons a room in a shared house might not be suitable, etc.

EDIT: I moved back to my parents partly with the idea of saving for a deposit (though it was more an idea than something I was in a hurry to do) and then watched the rise in house prices march step with my savings - so decided just to not play that game for awhile - to be fair it didn't become completely impossible but for me and my position it just wasn't worth the sacrifices.

 

[R.P.L]

And the disadvantage that if you ask the landlord to do the repair they might just chuck you out instead And hope for a tenant that's less "entitled"

How do you think we arrived at the situation we have in this country - where MPs have stood up in Parliament and admitted that 1/3 of rental housing falls below the minimum standard for human habitation.

1/3. Don't believe me look it up

That's a different issue though. If the laws aren't sufficient to protect tenants or aren't being enforced correctly, then that should be taken up via whatever avenues are available.

 

[The Running Man]

When I've rented they've been only too happy to do repairs, etc...... then add it onto the rent as an increase at the earliest possible opportunity and/or try and take it from the deposit when you leave...



To be fair not everyone has the opportunity to rent a house with friends and/or for various reasons a room in a shared house might not be suitable, etc.

I'm.sure pretty much 90% of the population can do 1 of the following 3.

Stay at home with parents
Rent with friends
Rent with Mrs and combine income

Who can't do any of those 3 and why?

 

[FoxEye]

When I've rented they've been only too happy to do repairs, etc...... then add it onto the rent as an increase at the earliest possible opportunity and/or try and take it from the deposit when you leave...

To be fair not everyone has the opportunity to rent a house with friends and/or for various reasons a room in a shared house might not be suitable, etc.

The govt could fix all this with real protections for tenants, but successive govts have decided against it.

The rental market in this country is hugely rigged in the landlord's favour.

In another thread here, someone thought their rental contract meant the landlord had to give them 2 months notice to get them out.

Last time I checked, *any* landlord can evict using certain laws with a minimum of 14 days notice. All they have to do is say they intend to move back in to the property.

 

[Rroff]

I'm.sure pretty much 90% of the population can do 1 of the following 3.

Stay at home with parents
Rent with friends
Rent with Mrs and combine income

Who can't do any of those 3 and why?

You live in a different world to the one I do hah - around here that kind of stuff like in some TV shows of groups of friends moving in together tends to be more the exception than the rule - either people's lives just don't come together like that at the same time and/or people just don't have that kind of relationship with their friends and probably more people are single or not in that kind of relationship to move in together than are in a relationship where moving in together is a possibility.

Living with parents or moving back to parents is a more realistic proposition but not everyone has that possibility.

 

[The Running Man]

You live in a different world to the one I do hah - around here that kind of stuff like in some TV shows of groups of friends moving in together tends to be more the exception than the rule - either people's lives just don't come together like that at the same time and/or people just don't have that kind of relationship with their friends and probably more people are single or not in that kind of relationship to move in together than are in a relationship where moving in together is a possibility.

Living with parents or moving back to parents is a more realistic proposition but not everyone has that possibility.

But my point is that you/they will have to make sacrifices to make it work. You might not want to live with parents, so that should be an incentive to save more and faster.

I mean if you don't have any friends you already went wrong somewhere in life.

But as i say most people will have at least 1 of those 3 options available.

 

[Rroff]

But my point is that you/they will have to make sacrifices to make it work. You might not want to live with parents, so that should be an incentive to save more and faster.

I mean if you don't have any friends you already went wrong somewhere in life.

But as i say most people will have at least 1 of those 3 options available.

Oof that comes over as if you lack broader life experiences.

EDIT: My friends history makes some grim reading :s from my school days those I was good friends with within about 2-3 years of leaving school:

-Institutionalised (mental health)
-Drug overdose (dead)
-Motorbike accident (dead)
-Jumped in front of train (dead)
-Prison (lost contact)
-Prison (for life)
-Uni x3 (moved away)
-Married x2

(Obviously I've made more friends since but that was kind of the position I'd have been in around the time people generally would look at renting with friends to save money, etc.)

 

[The Running Man]

Oof that comes over as if you lack broader life experiences.

But i'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me.
From a poor family.

I had no handouts, no rich parents. Loaded with a student loan. Grew up in Oldham/Glodwick.

Furthest we went on holiday was Wales.

I think I had plenty of broader life experiences.

Infact I probably have more broader life experiences than most..

 

[Nitefly]

I also think the current situation makes the whole ‘work hard, compromise and save’ mentality so much unpalatable now.

Yeah, work hard, compromise and save for years... for a **** house in the arse end of nowhere. I mean, all things considered, it’s not surprising people opt to rent when buying is such a burden.

 

[Rroff]

Infact I probably have more broader life experiences than most..

A lot of people simply don't have the kind of relationship with friends that you are talking about or don't have many close friends due to reasons far outside of their control rather than them doing something wrong in life or simply have no interest in having many friends, etc.

A lot of people have very complex relationships with their parents and/or for other reasons might not have parents to fall back on.

A lot of people are single or not in a place/time in their relationship for moving in together.

It is far from the idealistic picture you presented.

 

[potatolord]

I also think the current situation makes the whole ‘work hard, compromise and save’ mentality so much unpalatable now.

Yeah, work hard, compromise and save for years... for a **** house in the arse end of nowhere. I mean, all things considered, it’s not surprising people opt to rent when buying is such a burden.

Now homeworking has become a reality for a lot of people, buying a house at the top of the Rhymney valley or in the middle of Powys doesn't mean a long daily commute. I wonder if it might mean some new equlibrium between towns and cities might be found. I reckon some city property might become less attractive- particularly smaller flats.

 

[The Running Man]

Oof that comes over as if you lack broader life experiences.

EDIT: My friends history makes some grim reading :s from my school days those I was good friends with within about 2-3 years of leaving school:

-Institutionalised (mental health)
-Drug overdose (dead)
-Motorbike accident (dead)
-Jumped in front of train (dead)
-Prison (lost contact)
-Prison (for life)
-Uni x3 (moved away)
-Married x2

(Obviously I've made more friends since but that was kind of the position I'd have been in around the time people generally would look at renting with friends to save money, etc.)

Very sad and tragic and I'm not going to go into specifics but with only 0.08% of the uk population in prison and 0.00005% of the population dieing from a drugs overdose (PA) im going to suggest you are an outlier in the statistical scenario who may fall into the 10% gap i caveated.

 

[Woden]

But i'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me.
From a poor family.

I had no handouts, no rich parents. Loaded with a student loan. Grew up in Oldham/Glodwick.

Furthest we went on holiday was Wales.

I think I had plenty of broader life experiences.

Infact I probably have more broader life experiences than most..

I have lived in oldham my whole lofe and I don't love in poverty, never have. So anyone that is is just doing it wrong,


This is sarcasm

 

[Rroff]

Very sad and tragic and I'm not going to go into specifics but with only 0.08% of the uk population in prison and 0.00005% of the population dieing from a drugs overdose (PA) im going to suggest you are an outlier in the statistical scenario who may fall into the 10% gap i caveated.

It isn't just a 1:1 relationship though - those people would have been friends with several other people as well.

But you are looking at it too narrowly the point being a lot of people are going to have variations of that kind of story - friends who go off to uni, etc. or just wouldn't want that close a relationship they'd be living with and so on.

 

[Rroff]

I also think the current situation makes the whole ‘work hard, compromise and save’ mentality so much unpalatable now.

Yeah, work hard, compromise and save for years... for a **** house in the arse end of nowhere. I mean, all things considered, it’s not surprising people opt to rent when buying is such a burden.

I think this is a good bit of why so many of the younger generation don't seem to have aspirations beyond work 16 hours a week, claim UC, apply for social housing. I've seen a massive increase in it amongst the school leaver and just above age range over the last few years especially at work.

 

[Nitefly]

I think this is a good bit of why so many of the younger generation don't seem to have aspirations beyond work 16 hours a week, claim UC, apply for social housing. I've seen a massive increase in it amongst the school leaver and just above age range over the last few years especially at work.

Indeed. It’s relatively easy for those couples on graduate schemes etc to apply themselves to saving but for everyone else it’s obnoxiously hard graft.

 

[Rroff]

Indeed. It’s relatively easy for those couples on graduate schemes etc to apply themselves to saving but for everyone else it’s obnoxiously hard graft.

I find it quite sad - we usually take on quite a few younger ones in the warehouse around this time of year and when I started probably half were on their way to uni (or had some other career plans) and would leave after a couple of years if not sooner. Now we've got a big increase who just want a few hours alongside UC and no aspirations - in discussions about buying a house they just see it as something completely out of reach of them with the current prices.