Android - Slightly Hyped IMO

[Glaucus]

it's not hardware faults and it's not a dummy phone, as proved by installing a different rom.

It is inherent to android, as they don't have standard roms, they don't do any testing on apps and can't even have standard updates for new versions of androids. These imo are huge huge downsides and would be far better if they just had standard roms, or some way for a company to pay android to make an official custom rom, that way they can all be automatically updated when a new version is released.

 

[Tetsujin]

it's not hardware faults and it's not a dummy phone, as proved by installing a different rom.

It is inherent to android, as they don't have standard roms, they don't do any testing on apps and can't even have standard updates for new versions of androids. These imo are huge huge downsides and would be far better if they just had standard roms, or some way for a company to pay android to make an official custom rom, that way they can all be automatically updated when a new version is released.

Ok, keep saying the same things over and again, ignoring the fact that people have pointed out why you've observed the things you have, and ignoring the clear contradiction of trying to make a generalisation about something you yourself even admit is fragmented.

 

[Glaucus]

So your main gripe with android, is that 3rd parties cannot be bothered to write a solid ROM for the device they sell?

Partially, it's that android don;t protect their investment and make it a good experience for all, as well as no updating and a 101 smaller niggles, that will be sorted out in later versions. But the big one will never be sorted, standard roms which allow standard updates. As well as at least partial scanning of apps, but android wont do that either.

Ok, keep saying the same things over and again, ignoring the fact that people have pointed out why you've observed the things you have, and ignoring the clear contradiction of trying to make a generalisation about something you yourself even admit is fragmented.

Just because we don't agree does not mean I'm ignoring it.
Is there a standard update for all new versions of android, or do you have to wait for an official rom from manufacturer or a custome one?

As i said before for me a huge part of mobile devices, they need to be simple, reliable and work. Part of that is the update system.

 

[Tetsujin]

If you want closed, you go Apple/Windows. If you want open, you go Android. The differences between the ideologies are clear. You're basically criticising the core approach of the platform, so citing individual experiences with individual phones is worthless. We can all figure out the upsides/downsides of each approach.

I don't like walled gardens, and I don't like rows of boring icons, and I like tweaking/customising things. On windows I use gesture recognition, custom mouse mappings for every program, clipboard monitors... I'm a tweaker. So for me, it was always going to be Android. I'm not going to go off posting about how iPhone/Winphone is lame, though, just because their approach isn't to my liking...

 

[Glaucus]

If you want closed, you go Apple/Windows. If you want open, you go Android. .

Or you have a system which is in-between. Nothing stopping you installing custom roms. but the core should be sleek, android isn't and I can't see how they can change this.

I'm not going to go off posting about how iPhone/Winphone is lame, though, just because their approach isn't to my liking...

I am not saying they are lame, I own two android devices and In one of my first posts I said despite it's shortcomings it is still a good OS.

 

[Tetsujin]

Or you have a system which is in-between. Nothing stopping you installing custom roms. but the core should be sleek, android isn't and I can't see how they can change this.

You're really not getting this, are you? Let's try again.

The core experience of android on the vast majority of phones for the vast majority of people is perfectly fine. Again you're citing problems with production runs at the cheaper end of the scale as if it's something to do with Android.

Please stop being an antifanboi.

 

[Glaucus]

The core experience of android on the vast majority of phones for the vast majority of people is perfectly fine.

The core system allows this to happen and stops things like updates, no scanning of apps are not limited to cheap phones.

Please stop being an antifanboi.

Again where am I being an antifan boy. Stop defending something I am not saying.

 

[Tetsujin]

The core system allows this to happen and stops things like updates, no scanning of apps are not limited to cheap phones.



Again where am I being an antifan boy. Stop defending something I am not saying.

I don't have a penchant for repeating myself over and again, so to summarise:

1. Posting up flaws with the fundamental ethos of any open platform, which is news to nobody, we all know the +ves/-ves
2. Citing problems which some people have had with some examples of some cheaper phones as if they represent the entire platform. This is akin to limiting the debate about whether iPhone is good or bad to the shorting problem the first phones' outer cases had; clearly there is a lot more to the picture, stop focussing on this

You prefer a closed platform. Good. No need to keep telling people the downsides of an open platform. Over and again. After they've explained why they're there.

 

[Glaucus]

[*]Citing problems which some people have had with some examples of some cheaper phones as if they represent the entire platform. This is akin to limiting the debate about whether iPhone is good or bad to the shorting problem the first phones' outer cases had; clearly there is a lot more to the picture, stop focussing on this
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Apps are standard and have nothing to do with the phone try again.

And yes because there is no need for the limitations of the ethos, you can have huge customisation and openness whilst protecting the system. It is my opinion and it's not as if I'm slating it and saying don't buy it.

You are a fanboy and are trying to protect it needlessly when I'm not even slating it. Just grumbling about certain issues.

 

[Tetsujin]

You are a fanboy and are trying to protect it needlessly when I'm not even slating it. Just grumbling about certain issues.

If this were an iPhone thread and someone kept harping on about something of a similar nature I'd do the same as I've done here. Not that I'd be reading it in the first place, because I already know it's not for me, but were I to...

Also, you'll struggle to find neutral consensus on me being a "fanboy", given I've openly admitted the downfalls of open platforms. I'm aware of them, I don't mind living with them, and they're not as bad as you make out.

 

[Glaucus]

Nore do I, as I have two android devices and likely to get a third. The problem is you are trying to defend it against stuff I simply have not said.

 

[Tetsujin]

*Nor

You... should probably read this thread again. I've been pretty thoroughly objective. You've criticised its open nature; I've responded that, yes, well done for spotting it, that's the nature of open platforms. You've criticised some small issue; I've responded with why such things arise and how they arise elsewhere than Android. Quite specific.

 

[Glaucus]

But an entirely open system is not needed, you can have a closed core system and anything else overlayed ontop. You really haven't responded. It is valid criticism that you and many have taken exception to.

Lets see shall we

Every device ever produced will have a percentage of their production run with faults. It's what happens when you mass produce things. That's what it looks like you're talking about to me - the fact that some people have had issues. Big deal? I had one pair of Nikes start making ludicrous squeeking noises due to falling apart within a few weeks of purchase - doesn't mean the Air Force One is fundamentally flawed or that Nike as a whole make bad kicks; it was just one sneak... nearly all my other pairs have lasted years.

It is not hardware faults

Ok, keep saying the same things over and again, ignoring the fact that people have pointed out why you've observed the things you have, and ignoring the clear contradiction of trying to make a generalisation about something you yourself even admit is fragmented.

Why not, when you don;t respond, with anything meaningful

If you want closed, you go Apple/Windows. If you want open, you go Android. The differences between the ideologies are clear. You're basically criticising the core approach of the platform, so citing individual experiences with individual phones is worthless. We can all figure out the upsides/downsides of each approach.

Where did I say I wanted apple or a complety closed system.
I want apps to work more often than they do, I wnat auto update for android or at least not have to wait years for phone operator to make a dodgy rom.

I don't like walled gardens, and I don't like rows of boring icons, and I like tweaking/customising things. On windows I use gesture recognition, custom mouse mappings for every program, clipboard monitors... I'm a tweaker. So for me, it was always going to be Android. I'm not going to go off posting about how iPhone/Winphone is lame, though, just because their approach isn't to my liking...

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Like over clocking deep customisation is very limited, most people would be more than happy with a closed core, that you can throw stuff over the top.

And the rest of your posts are repeats of the above

I don't have a penchant for repeating myself over and again, so to summarise:

1. Posting up flaws with the fundamental ethos of any open platform, which is news to nobody, we all know the +ves/-ves
2. Citing problems which some people have had with some examples of some cheaper phones as if they represent the entire platform. This is akin to limiting the debate about whether iPhone is good or bad to the shorting problem the first phones' outer cases had; clearly there is a lot more to the picture, stop focussing on this


You prefer a closed platform. Good. No need to keep telling people the downsides of an open platform. Over and again. After they've explained why they're there.

If this were an iPhone thread and someone kept harping on about something of a similar nature I'd do the same as I've done here. Not that I'd be reading it in the first place, because I already know it's not for me, but were I to...

Also, you'll struggle to find neutral consensus on me being a "fanboy", given I've openly admitted the downfalls of open platforms. I'm aware of them, I don't mind living with them, and they're not as bad as you make out.

 

[Tetsujin]

But an entirely open system is not needed, you can have a closed core system and anything else overlayed ontop. You really haven't responded. It is valid criticism that you and many have taken exception to.

It's not entirely open! Phones are locked from the outset! You can't just buy it and open the box and change the damn ROM, like you think; you have to go through various complex procedures if you want to, it's not necessary to do so.

Same for iPhone. Same for everything.

 

[Glaucus]

It's not entirely open! Phones are locked from the outset! You can't just buy it and open the box and change the damn ROM, like you think; you have to go through various complex procedures if you want to, it's not necessary to do so.

That's not what I have an issue with and has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

 

[Tetsujin]

You might need to learn to express what you're trying to say a bit better, then. You moan about it being totally open; I tell you it's not totally open; suddenly you never said it was totally open.

I'm literally lost. Is this 4chan?

 

[Glaucus]

You might need to learn to express what you're trying to say a bit better, then. You moan about it being totally open; I tell you it's not totally open; suddenly you never said it was totally open.

You are talking end user, I'm talking about manufactures and how it affects the use, updates and other aspects.
You also have to realise that total customisation like over clocking is a limited but profitable market. which in that case you can break the phone and do what you wnat. For general public. Things need to be simple and work. That 98% of people are happy with changing widgets, background and launcher bar.

And If you followed the conversation, I am quite clearly stating manufactures as I've said it a few times.

 

[Tetsujin]

This is an objective observation, not an insult: your spelling and grammar make it trickier than it needs be, to follow.

I don't know at all what point you were trying to get across in your last post. 98% of android buyers can quite happily use the widgets and stuff that come with it. They are simple, and do work. Within ten minutes of powering on my DHD I had my old phone's, gmail's, twitter's, facebook's and flickr's address books all integrated and synced with a bunch of nice apps that, were I a normal user, would've been perfectly functional. Just as the stuff coming stock on an iPhone would've been.

 

[Glaucus]

Lets just leave it as it's pointless, you are completely missing the points and iterating stuff I've agreed with on the first few posts of the thread. This is really pointless.

And yes my spelling and grammar is and always will be rubbish.