Animals trapped in cars...

Housey · 30 Jun 2015 at 21:51

majnu said:
Depends where it was tbh

If in a car park at a shopping centre I'd get them to make an announcement and if nobody turned up after 10 mins I'd get them to call the fire brigade. Knowing the UK and it's flawed justice system if I smashed the window to rescue a pup I'd get thrown in jail.

..not if it was an attack dog, then it would get headlines for being a murder dog saver.

Hitman_Leon · 30 Jun 2015 at 21:51

Meanwhile in China,

Wait while dog is medium-rare, break window, eat dog.

Back in the UK, phone the police.

uvarvu · 30 Jun 2015 at 22:07

This came up in the Chronicle today.

http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/lega...cue-dog-heat/story-26803100-detail/story.html

doofer · 30 Jun 2015 at 22:18

I rarely carry a phone with me and I wouldn't hesitate to get a distressed child/animal out of a locked vehicle in warm weather by any means necessary, I will quite happily wait around and face any consequences resulting from my own actions. **** the Law.

anything I don't mind · 30 Jun 2015 at 22:19

The trick is to break the window save the dog and then leave the scene.

Rainmaker · 30 Jun 2015 at 22:25

Greebo said:
The law states: 1. Only a local authority Inspector or a Constable have a power to enter a "premises" for the purpose of assisting an animal that is, or is likely to be, suffering. This is governed under Sections 18 and 19 of the Animal Welfare Act 2006.

Sec 62(1) AWA 2006 defines "any vehicle" as a "premises".

2. Any member of the public who breaks into a vehicle to assist a suffering dog would not be protected by the powers under the AWA 2006, and would no doubt be subject of an investigation for an offence of Criminal Damage. However, Sec 5(2)(b) Criminal Damage Act 1971, does offer a defence to their actions in that (i) property was in immediate need of protection, and (ii) that the means of protection were reasonable.

For their actions to be reasonable there must be a level of implied consent. For example, "I broke the lock off the water bowser to put out the burning shed." It would be reasonable to assume an implied consent from the owner that they would wish the person to damage a £5 lock to save a £500 shed and it's contents.

It might be argued that it would be reasonable for a person to believe that there was an implied consent from the owner of the car for them to break a car window to save their dog.

The big word here is "reasonable". If a person just breaks a window as there is a dog inside, and the dog is obviously fit and well, then their actions might well be deemed unreasonable, and they would have committed an offence.

What I was about to post... I would, however, have given the source for the copy-paste.

I saw the video of the poor 14 month old Boxer dog to which the OP refers. Very sad indeed. I can't imagine what possesses someone to leave a living animal, especially a dog (which can't sweat) in the boot of a car for four hours while they dawdle around Ikea. That's basically a glass/greenhouse roof with no escape for shade.

Pawnless Endgame · 30 Jun 2015 at 22:29

jsmoke said:
To be fair you should follow the rule of law first. Phone the authorities, pretty much end of discussion, they are trained, [protected and paid to deal with such issues.

Would that be dial 100? (non-emergency police number)

Mammals would last maybe 1-2 hours max before they die from heat, so it's whether the police could respond in time?

Burnsy2023 · 30 Jun 2015 at 22:30

Pawnless Endgame said:
Would that be dial 100? (non-emergency police number)

Mammals would last maybe 1-2 hours max before they die from heat, so it's whether the police could respond in time?

I think you mean 101.

Response times depend on resources, but usually we attend pretty quickly. Police are animal lovers too.

Rainmaker · 30 Jun 2015 at 22:31

Pawnless Endgame said:
Would that be dial 100? (non-emergency police number)

Mammals would last maybe 1-2 hours max before they die from heat, so it's whether the police could respond in time?

The PDSA, RSPCA et al. recommend you dial 999 if you find a dog in distress inside a hot car. ETA: The National Police Chiefs' Council endorse it too. If the dog is in distress, it's 999 not 101.

bainbridge · 30 Jun 2015 at 22:35

Would be a bummer if the dog was on guard duty and attacked you for vandalising it's owner's vehicle.

neil_g · 30 Jun 2015 at 22:37

Burnsy2023 said:
I think you mean 101.

Response times depend on resources, but usually we attend pretty quickly. Police are animal lovers too.

Good to know being my local force

Twirlywoos · 30 Jun 2015 at 22:56

Rainmaker said:
What I was about to post... I would, however, have given the source for the copy-paste.

I saw the video of the poor 14 month old Boxer dog to which the OP refers. Very sad indeed. I can't imagine what possesses someone to leave a living animal, especially a dog (which can't sweat) in the boot of a car for four hours while they dawdle around Ikea. That's basically a glass/greenhouse roof with no escape for shade.

They should plaster that info in public places, hospitals, shopping centres, building trade centres every where by law

doodah · 1 Jul 2015 at 01:57

God knows how people could be so senseless. I overheard a porter say someone had done a similar thing at Royal Brompton Hospital today, hopefully the dog was fine.

thebennyboy · 1 Jul 2015 at 02:07

If the dog was visibly distressed (panting frantically) i would have no hesitation in putting in the window.

Boycey0211 · 1 Jul 2015 at 04:39

It was on an episode of police interceptors a few weeks ago, public attempted to contact the owners, then rang police ( it's a non emergency so they didn't go racing there) and then broke the window to get the dogs out, no one got prosecuted apart from a stern talking to the owner when they eventually showed up

Pawnless Endgame · 1 Jul 2015 at 04:39

Burnsy2023 said:
I think you mean 101.

Response times depend on resources, but usually we attend pretty quickly. Police are animal lovers too.

Thanks for the heads up buddy.

asim18 · 1 Jul 2015 at 04:46

Would be awesome if the starving animal decided to eat any would be rescuer.

Tefal · 1 Jul 2015 at 07:17

Burnsy2023 said:
I think you mean 101.

Response times depend on resources, but usually we attend pretty quickly. Police are animal lovers too.

sayyou came across the dog and it was looking barely concious, how much trouble woul you be in if you put the window through and took it lut?

Richdog · 1 Jul 2015 at 07:23

bitslice said:
I'd stand in front of the dog and take selfies,
then wander around looking helpless and retarded just like those stupid Americans last week.

Dyfies? Selfies with things dying in the background.

Cosimo · 1 Jul 2015 at 07:27

Use sign language and get the dog to let itself out whilst dangling a string of tasty sausages in the other hand.