Animals trapped in cars...

neil_g said:
Funnily enough Hants Constabulary just posted about this on Facebook.

Someone commented..



Hants Constab replied..



source - https://www.facebook.com/2201859634...22018596340/10153403624696341/?type=1&theater
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That's ridiculous. The RSPCA are a charity, with no more legal power than you or I. Why are the police (who have statutory responsibility and power over these things) delegating jobs involving animals in danger to a bunch of Joe Bloggs? They may as well send OXFAM. In fact, at least OXFAM would probably turn up... Tried ringing the RSPCA in the last 10 years? Unless there's a press conference handy they rarely want to know.

The National Police Chiefs Council are asking people to dial 999 if the dog is in distress, and plod are delegating to supermarket security and members of the public? I can't comment on the photo, presumably because I've not 'liked' their page, but that's a crock.
 
Were pictures on one of the Aberdeen Facebook groups a few weeks back, where the police were called for a dog stuck in a car in the sun.
Police showed up promptly and smashed the window.

I typically don't have anything to hand, that could smash a car window though...
 
Actually the RSPCA do have legal power to enter a non-dwelling (car) if they perceive a protected animal is in immediate danger of injury or death.

Section 19(1) confers a power of entry on a constable or inspector in order to search for an animal and
exercise s18 powers, but it is clear from 19(2) that this does not authorise entry into a private
dwelling. Reasonable force may only be used in entering a non-dwelling without a warrant if it
appears that entry is required before a warrant can be obtained and executed (s19(3)). Sections 19(4)
and (5) provide that such a warrant can be granted only if there are reasonable grounds for suspecting
either that a protected animal is suffering, or is likely to do so unless its circumstances change, and
s52 is satisfied. Section 52 contains four conditions, one of which must be met to justify the issuing of
a warrant. In short, these stipulate that notice must generally be given to the occupier unless it would
“defeat the object” and “entry is required as a matter of urgency.” However, if the premises is
unoccupied or the owner absent, the condition is merely that notice of intention to apply for the
warrant has been left there conspicuously.
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gradyhawks said:
You shouldn't be smashing anyone window in regardless. Is a job for the police.
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What if the police take too long to get there? If the figures on cars heating up are to be believed I wouldn't want to wait for them to arrive while a dog could be on the verge of death especially on a day like today.
 
If I saw a dog or any animal in imminent danger, I would do anything I could to help it. If a dog was locked in a car on a hot day and clearly distressed and in mortal danger I would break the window if I could, to hell with the consequences I would hold my hands up and take it on the chin, at least I would know inside I did what I thought was right.
 
I had some well meaning abuse this morning, left my two German Shepherds in my car whilst I went into the local shop ( car parked outside within view of me ) guy wandered up to the car and started complaining to a random passer by that my dogs were suffering...

One was asleep on the back seat, the other had jumped into the drivers seat, the engine was running and my CC was set to max, you could see condensation from his breath it was that cold in the car!

Well meaning idiot, he felt quite daft I think when I opened the door and let him feel how cold it was inside!

My two couldn't have looked more comfortable! :p

If I saw a dog plainly suffering in an unventilated vehicle, I'd break the window - as I've done in the past.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Actually the RSPCA do have legal power to enter a non-dwelling (car) if they perceive a protected animal is in immediate danger of injury or death.
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Nope. That's just what they like you to think. The matter was clarified in parliament after the RSPCA 'inspectors' (charity workers) tried to assert such powers. The exchange is as follows, with emphasis added for clarity.

Parliamentary Question 23rd Feb 2010

To ask Her Majesty's Government under what authority, controls and supervision and in what circumstances officers of a charity are empowered to (a) remove a pet from its owner's care, (b) keep it in their own care, (c) deny access to it to the owner, and (d) refuse to inform the owner of the place in which it is kept. [HL2038]


The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Lord Davies of Oldham):

"Charities have no power under the Animal Welfare Act 2006 to seize pet animals. The power of seizure can be exercised only by a police officer, an officer of a local authority or Animal Health."
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Further clarification continues:

The RSPCA is, contrary to appearances, a private organisation. Some people are terrified of the RSPCA, and there is absolutely no need to be. No RSPCA employee, so far as I am aware, has any special powers or is even an inspector for the purposes of the Animal Welfare Act. Indeed, if they are, I want to know about it! The title ‘RSPCA Inspector’ is just a job title, given to an RSPCA employee working for the inspectorate department when they finish their twelve weeks of training.

The society gives some of its more senior employees even more impressive sounding titles: ‘Chief Superintendent’ and the like. However, they are all just job titles; it’s not like the police - RSPCA inspectors are not even constables. To think otherwise is a natural mistake to make. One problem which is regularly encountered is a police officer who thinks that the RSPCA is some sort of agency, or that its employees somehow have more powers than ordinary members of the public. If a police officer tells you, or behaves as if the RSPCA is an agency or has special powers, then that policeman needs to be corrected.
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Just because the AWA uses the terms 'constable' and 'inspector', don't let the RSPCA mislead you into believing their charity workers - coincidentally called 'inspectors' after passing basic training - are 'Inspectors' for the purposes of the AWA.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Because we don't have the resources to cope with all the demand.
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Still using that excuse. Can't find the site now but
a women called the police to tell them someone was robbing their shed.

The police(over the phone)said "sorry we have no one available"
The same women called the police again a few minutes later and said "no need to come out now I've killed them"

With 5 mins the cops was there and caught the robbers.
The police man said "you said you killed them". The women replied "you said no one was available" something like that.

And as for the car+dog I would smash the window.
 
deuse said:
Still using that excuse. Can't find the site now but
a women called the police to tell them someone was robbing their shed.

The police(over the phone)said "sorry we have no one available"
The same women called the police again a few minutes later and said "no need to come out now I've killed them"

With 5 mins the cops was there and caught the robbers.
The police man said "you said you killed them". The women replied "you said no one was available" something like that.

And as for the car+dog I would smash the window.
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http://www.snopes.com/crime/safety/response.asp
 
deuse said:
Still using that excuse. Can't find the site now but
a women called the police to tell them someone was robbing their shed.

The police(over the phone)said "sorry we have no one available"
The same women called the police again a few minutes later and said "no need to come out now I've killed them"

With 5 mins the cops was there and caught the robbers.
The police man said "you said you killed them". The women replied "you said no one was available" something like that.
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Wow. You actually believed that was a true story, and not an amusing anecdote?

Also, even if it were true, it's hardly a mind-blowing revelation that the police would prioritise a multiple murder over someone robbing a shed.

Nice try though, stick it to the man and all that, yeah!
 
Even in this heat, with a window or 2 cracked open a smidge. It's not enough... Either put the car in shade if you're going to leave your dog there, or take it with you!

We've got a border colli and with her hair, she wouldn't last 10 minutes in the car. Would never dream of leaving her for more than that unless for a fuel stop.

Stupid people.
 
Pawnless Endgame said:
Would that be dial 100? (non-emergency police number)

Mammals would last maybe 1-2 hours max before they die from heat, so it's whether the police could respond in time?
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I'd dial 999 tbh... 101 is more of a reporting thing whereas the 'crime' in this instance is in progress and requires an immediate response

then stay there - if the police don't arrive within 10-15 mins and the dog is looking in a bad way then I'd be tempted to phone again and tell them you're putting the window through to save the animal as it is clearly in distressed


what I certainly wouldn't do is simply smash the window in the first instance, the owner might have just popped in quickly and/or the animal might not be in any real danger distress yet - wait and see how it is and try to get the police there first IMO
 
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