Another Q6600 OC

I've turned it down to 3 GHz and it seems prime stable so far.

333 x 9
1.2875v
stock memory with a 5:6 divide

I see the need for voltage increase tests now :cool: That's a hell of a step up in volts from 3 to 3.6.

Temps still seem a little high though. 65 degrees after 30 mins of prime.

EDIT: Make that 69 degrees.
 
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Neither of those settings have anything to do with getting a Q6600 stable at 3.6GHz (9x400) with the memory running [1:1] sync? . . . modern LGA775 motherboards can run 400MHz-FSB with [Auto] vNB and straps on [Auto] . . .


Then what are those settings for?:confused:. I always thought that as you increased the FSB to a certain value you also needed to choose the right strap to loosen the internal latencies/increase clock speed of north bridge so as to make the system more stable and thereby upping the north bridge voltage aswell in the process.
As I have read in other threads and forums that people recommend upping the northbridge voltage when your FSB is close to 400MHz or beyond, then are you suggesting that their information is incorrect aswell:confused:.

So if OP set the FSB to 378MHz and his strap was set to 266MHz, wouldn't it be more unstable than if he were to choose 400MHz strap.

Sure the mobos can run those setting automatically but still I thought it would be better to manually fine tune the settings yourself just like in the case of upping cpu vcore in bios manually rather than leaving it on auto which is not really recommended:).
 
I had a 1.2750 vid q6600, ran in a P5Q deluxe with a TRUE black, vcore required for 3.6ghz was 1.400, temps under prime load with a pair of 1500 rpm fans were 68-68-62-62. I had to play about with the chipset voltages a bit as well, iirc they were.

PLL, 1.58
NB, 1.34
FSB-TERM, 1.34
DRAM VOLTAGE, 2.02, ocz reaper pc 6400

FSB-NB strap, 333mhz, the cpu was also prime stable at 3.8ghz on the above chip voltages, however i needed a jump in vcore to 1.51, cooler and cpu lapped and 2 faster fans, temps were still the same as 3.6ghz though.
 
Then what are those settings for?:confused:
The FSB strap gets auto adjusted when the user selects a specific memory multiplier i.e when the [6:5] memory multi is selected the strap gets set to 333-FSB etc however there are a few memory multipliers that operate on more than one strap so having the option to manually select the strap sometimes comes in handy if the user is having stability issues . . .

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vNB (northbridge voltages) do not normally need to be adjusted from [Auto] on a modern LGA775 mobo as long as one doesn't exceed 400MHz-FSB with the processor running using its native multiplier, tRD (aka Performance Level) left on [Auto] and the memory running roughly within spec (i.e under DDR2-1066). . . once you exceed 400MHz-FSB or manually adjust tRD to a lower value or manually set the processors multiplier to lower than stock (forcing up the NBcc MHz) or run the memory at superfast frequencies (or a combination of all the above) then you need to manually adjust the vNB . . . the vTT setting is "linked" with vNB so once that comes off [Auto] I found you also need to start farting around with vTT . . .

Sure the mobos can run those setting automatically but still I thought it would be better to manually fine tune the settings yourself
All the settings in the BIOS are "fine tuned" by a professional BIOS engineer, and they do a pretty good job . . . there is no problem manually adjusting each and every setting yourself but that normally comes at a much later stage in the overclocking process . . . leaving things like vCore on [Auto] is fine for a basic overclock, in some cases the BIOS will "Over-Volt" the vCore so by manually fine tuning it yourself you can shave a little volts & heat off the final clock . . . on some BIOS revisions the board will cap the vCore limit so you have no choice but to switch to manual over-ride to get the processor stable but this scenario is more rare these days! :D

Messing with PLL, vNB, vTT, GTL Refs is not a simple business and really is better left until nearer the end of the overclocking process . . . in the case of someone gunning for 500MHz-FSB, DDR2-1200+, 4.0GHz processor +, 700MHz NBcc+, low tRD and other uBer high OverClocking parameters then you will almost certainly have to step in and switch to manual override as the BIOS will almost certainly not be able to deal with a plethora of non stock settings! ;)

There are two types of overclockers . . . one who wishes to get a good speed boost from their system with minimal fuss and without weeks or stability testing and the other is more of a die-hard geek who wishes to hand adjust every single BIOS option they have access too . . . personally I found the best rule of thumb is "K.I.S.S" (Keep It Simple Stupid) and "Less Is More" :cool:
 
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yea just saying Cpu PLL up a notch or two made all the difference for me when getting 3.5 -3.6 ghz stable.
 
The FSB strap gets auto adjusted when the user selects a specific memory multiplier i.e when the [6:5] memory multi is selected the strap gets set to 333-FSB etc however there are a few memory multipliers that operate on more than one strap so having the option to manually select the strap sometimes comes in handy if the user is having stability issues . . .

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vNB (northbridge voltages) do not normally need to be adjusted from [Auto] on a modern LGA775 mobo as long as one doesn't exceed 400MHz-FSB with the processor running using its native multiplier, tRD (aka Performance Level) left on [Auto] and the memory running roughly within spec (i.e under DDR2-1066). . . once you exceed 400MHz-FSB or manually adjust tRD to a lower value or manually set the processors multiplier to lower than stock (forcing up the NBcc MHz) or run the memory at superfast frequencies (or a combination of all the above) then you need to manually adjust the vNB . . . the vTT setting is "linked" with vNB so once that comes off [Auto] I found you also need to start farting around with vTT . . .


All the settings in the BIOS are "fine tuned" by a professional BIOS engineer, and they do a pretty good job . . . there is no problem manually adjusting each and every setting yourself but that normally comes at a much later stage in the overclocking process . . . leaving things like vCore on [Auto] is fine for a basic overclock, in some cases the BIOS will "Over-Volt" the vCore so by manually fine tuning it yourself you can shave a little volts & heat off the final clock . . . on some BIOS revisions the board will cap the vCore limit so you have no choice but to switch to manual over-ride to get the processor stable but this scenario is more rare these days! :D

Messing with PLL, vNB, vTT, GTL Refs is not a simple business and really is better left until nearer the end of the overclocking process . . . in the case of someone gunning for 500MHz-FSB, DDR2-1200+, 4.0GHz processor +, 700MHz NBcc+, low tRD and other uBer high OverClocking parameters then you will almost certainly have to step in and switch to manual override as the BIOS will almost certainly not be able to deal with a plethora of non stock settings! ;)

There are two types of overclockers . . . one who wishes to get a good speed boost from their system with minimal fuss and without weeks or stability testing and the other is more of a die-hard geek who wishes to hand adjust every single BIOS option they have access too . . . personally I found the best rule of thumb is "K.I.S.S" (Keep It Simple Stupid) and "Less Is More" :cool:

Thanks for great info big wayne. However in your first paragraph; what you say is probably correct for Asus mobo . I have Gigabyte mobo and strap settings slightly vary from asus.

Strap 200MHz

memory ratio
2.66C
3.33C
4.00C

Strap 266MHz

memory ratio
2.50A
3.00A
4.00A

Strap 333MHz

memory ratio
2.00B
2.40B
4.00B

Strap 400MHz

memory ratio
2.00D
2.66D
3.33D


Now with respect to my gigabyte P45 mobo, I can either leave the strap on auto or choose one of the following manually based on what my current FSB is. If I leave strap on auto then I must still choose the correct ratio associated with appropriate strap for my fsb setting.

e.g.

if my FSB is 334MHz with 800MHz DDR2 ram, I can either leave strap on auto or choose strap of 333MHz manually to correspond with my FSB. Then I choose 2.4B and it gives me 334 x 2.4B = 802MHz which is very close to stock.

So in gigabyte case, identify the correct strap you want based on your fsb and then coose the appropriate ratio.:)
 
I'll bear it in mind when I'm at 3.5 struggling to reach 3.6.

At the moment I'm not happy with the temps at all so I'm waiting till I get the cooler off. It's a real pain to get back on though :(
 
I'll bear it in mind when I'm at 3.5 struggling to reach 3.6.

At the moment I'm not happy with the temps at all so I'm waiting till I get the cooler off. It's a real pain to get back on though :(
Best to get the temp issues sorted first, your cooler and fan combo should be more than upto the task of cooling your cpu.
 
They do sound as if theyre being caused by a mounting issue, or possibly a little to much thermal paste.
 
I'm trying to give Hudzy the info he needs to get the best from the kit he is using! :)

Lol:p. Even my info is indirectly related to what OP is trying to do. What I am trying to get across is simply this:

Choose the appropriate strap and ram ratios for your FSB and RAM respectively. If OP's FSB is 400MHz, I wouldn't expect him to choose a memory ratio that will give him strap of 200MHz or vice versa:p. This will result in instabiliy.
 
What I am trying to get across is simply this:

Choose the appropriate strap and ram ratios for your FSB and RAM respectively. If OP's FSB is 400MHz, I wouldn't expect him to choose a memory ratio that will give him strap of 200MHz or vice versa:p.
WingZero30 WTF are you going on about! :D

Are you trying to make something thats really simple into something that is extremely complicated or? :eek:

Hudzy doesn't need to be farting around with FSB-straps, the board will *automatically" adjust the FSB strap for him . . . its a very clever board . . . FSB straps and waving of chickens feet can come later (much later) . . . atm the moment Hudzy has bigger fish to fry . . . literally on his heatsink! :p
 
WingZero30 WTF are you going on about! :D

Are you trying to make something thats really simple into something that is extremely complicated or? :eek:

Hudzy doesn't need to be farting around with FSB-straps, the board will *automatically" adjust the FSB strap for him . . . its a very clever board . . . FSB straps and waving of chickens feet can come later (much later) . . . atm the moment Hudzy has bigger fish to fry . . . literally on his heatsink! :p

Ok I will quiet now and let you guys figure it out. Just last thing, OP did you use thermal paste during cooler installation. Good luck with overclock Hudzy.
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The Intel® LGA775 platform becomes lower latency and "snappy" when you run the memory as fast as possible . . . [1:1] sync is to be avoided where at all possible . . . your Q6600 system which runs at a native 266MHz-FSB (1066MHz System Bus) can make full use of DDR2-1066 even at stock 2.4GHz speed using the [2:1] memory multiplier and will "feel" really snappy and fast when configured with the effective system bus speed running as fast as the effective DDR2 speed i.e:

  • 1066MHz System Bus (266MHz-FSB Quad Pumped)
  • 1066MHz DDR2 (533MHz Double Data Rate)
Of course as one needs to adjust the FSB upwards to overclock the chip it will not really be possible to maintain the DDR2 memory using the [2:1] memory multiplier but its possible to use a slightly lower upwards memory multiplier to keep the memory running as close as possible in speed to that of the effective system bus . . .

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The full spectrum of Intel® LGA775 clocking is not known by many . . . it seems for most people the focus is 95% on the CPU clock alone with not much attention paid to the Northbridge/NBcc clocks and tRD and the memory speed and CL rating . . . there is so much more to having a faster, snappy, responsive system that just having a fast processor frequency! ;)

You said it yourself.
 
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Seriously my stock cooler at 3.0 was cooler with the default paste on my 1.325 g0, 69c load on a true at stock voltages is horrible. You did take the base coating off before you installed the true right?
 
I'm pretty sure I used arctic silver when I installed it. That was well over a year ago now though, maybe two.

Also the heatsink was a bit dustier than I thought. I've given it a clean and temps after an hour's prime at stock are about 15 degrees lower than before. Ouch... :cool:

I'll give it another go at higher clocks later.
 
Is it unusual that auto vcore is set to less than the VID? I thought the VID was the required voltage to run it at stock.
 
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