You should try the pro versions. They most certainly are not.
Having said that - I have 8x reds on 24x7 and never had a failure
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You should try the pro versions. They most certainly are not.
Having said that - I have 8x reds on 24x7 and never had a failure
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I assume that's the 5400 RPM vs 7200 RPM difference?
I've got some 15K RPM 2.5" drives here (work) and you have to be wary of hot swapping them as they want to spin out of your hand at full speed!
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There will be issues from time to time, but I still have a lot more trust for WD than Seagate and will for a long time.
Personally, I have only had 1x 3TB WD Red fail and I've had:
12x 3TB, 16x 4TB, 4x 6TB and 6x 8TB
At work I've seen hundred of Reds and less than 1% failure rate.
Personally, I have only had 1x 3TB WD Red fail and I've had:
12x 3TB, 16x 4TB, 4x 6TB and 6x 8TB
At work I've seen hundred of Reds and less than 1% failure rate.
No actually, it's head noise mosrly. For some reason the later Pro drives I have (10tb ones) have a real clunk about them. Really irritating.
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Yeah... I bought at 8TB Red Pro to use as storage in my main PC... but it was too noisy so ended up in my server.
My main PC is borderline silent, so it really stood out.
Even the spinning of a 5400rpm drive is too much. I'm really picky about it... so ended up just buying a 4TB Samsung 850.
Have been reading this thread with interest and wanted to jump in.
Currently have a home server (Win10) with 2 x WD RED 6TB brought back in September 2015, both working flawlessly (468d Power On Hours, 9100ms Spin up time). Am needing to expand storage as I am archiving DVDs etc to play via Kodi. Am looking around and Seagate look to be cheaper than WD, now have had more Seagate over the years fail than WD, in fact cannot remember the last time I purchased a Seagate that did not come installed in the product.
By default I am just thinking of jumping in with a further 2 x WD RED 6TB but for a little more the Seagate 8TB is available. Is anyone using these new Seagates and if so what are peoples opinions / thoughts?
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Currently have a home server (Win10) with 2 x WD RED 6TB brought back in September 2015, both working flawlessly (468d Power On Hours, 9100ms Spin up time). Am needing to expand storage as I am archiving DVDs etc to play via Kodi. Am looking around and Seagate look to be cheaper than WD, now have had more Seagate over the years fail than WD, in fact cannot remember the last time I purchased a Seagate that did not come installed in the product.
By default I am just thinking of jumping in with a further 2 x WD RED 6TB but for a little more the Seagate 8TB is available. Is anyone using these new Seagates and if so what are peoples opinions / thoughts?
Thanks
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In my experience, the experience of my colleagues and wider industry information... WD are much more reliable than Seagate... I'd stick to WD.
Bit of an update, just got the replacement 4TB drive delivered by UPS. They should have delivered yesterday but falsely claimed I was not in!
I've registered the replacement drive serial number on the WD support portal and noticed that the warranty expires on it 14th July 2018 whereas the warranty on the RMA drive was until 22nd June 2019 so I've had to log another support ticket.
It's passed the WD tools quick test so it's going in the Synology NAS to replace the drive with over 300 bad sectors so that can be sent off.
Just make sure guys you register all your WD drives on the support portal in-case like me, any replacement sent comes back with hardly any warranty.
I've registered the replacement drive serial number on the WD support portal and noticed that the warranty expires on it 14th July 2018 whereas the warranty on the RMA drive was until 22nd June 2019 so I've had to log another support ticket.
It's passed the WD tools quick test so it's going in the Synology NAS to replace the drive with over 300 bad sectors so that can be sent off.
Just make sure guys you register all your WD drives on the support portal in-case like me, any replacement sent comes back with hardly any warranty.
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Why not buy a Toshiba HDD. Never had a problem with them.
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In the past two decades I've had 100% of my Seagate drives failed. Hitachi did better, but 100% of my WD drives survived.
My 8x WD 6TB RED drives have been running in Synology DS2015xs fine without an issue. My next NAS will probably be filled by WD 12TB Gold.
My 8x WD 6TB RED drives have been running in Synology DS2015xs fine without an issue. My next NAS will probably be filled by WD 12TB Gold.
Do you know how hot your drives are getting? I am just wondering if your drives are getting too hot, because that's a bad run of drives you seem to have there. 
I won't use Seagate drives, ever. Western Digital drives have been good to me in the past, but I still prefer Toshiba/Hitachi drives better than any other brand.
I won't use Seagate drives, ever. Western Digital drives have been good to me in the past, but I still prefer Toshiba/Hitachi drives better than any other brand.
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I’m looking to buy a 45 drives storinator later in the year and populate it with the same 12tb we good drives
Do you know how hot your drives are getting? I am just wondering if your drives are getting too hot, because that's a bad run of drives you seem to have there.
I won't use Seagate drives, ever. Western Digital drives have been good to me in the past, but I still prefer Toshiba/Hitachi drives better than any other brand.
No more than 30deg in the NAS
I can put the failure rate down to the recertified drives WD are shipping out as replacements.
My NAS rebuilt fully ok so running with 2 of the original drives and 2 recertified ones. Just sent off the latest bad drive so should get its replacement in a week or so then i’ve got my offline spare back again.
I would recommend anyone going 4 bay or above to have an offline spare as the WD warranty process takes around 2 to 3 weeks.
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There are some general rules for good practice - whenever a drive fails, I would buy a brand new drive straight away, RMA the failed drive, and sell the replacement drive on eBay (without opening the seal). The reason is that the replacement drive is usually a refurbished one with less reliability (think of a previously returned drive due to bad sectors, which is then re-masked by the manufacturer, with the bad sectors still affecting the surrounding regions). Never use a warranty replacement drive in your array if you ever care about reliability.
Funnily enough I've got a 3TB red failing in my Synology NAS at the moment it appears. Got some bad sector errors the other day so it looks like it's on the way out. Annoyingly it's the younger of the two drives, and went out of warranty in Sept last year. More annoyingly, it was £75 when I bought it and now the same drive is about £88. Eugh.
It's worth running a mixture of drives from different manufacturers, or at least buying them spaced apart sufficiently in time to be from different batches.
I think it's also worth stress testing the drives before putting real data on them. Badblocks has killed roughly one drive in four within a couple of days (despite a fan aimed directly at the drive and mounting it carefully). Those that survive the initial test seem to last well enough. See bathtub curve.
I think it's also worth stress testing the drives before putting real data on them. Badblocks has killed roughly one drive in four within a couple of days (despite a fan aimed directly at the drive and mounting it carefully). Those that survive the initial test seem to last well enough. See bathtub curve.
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Can't understand all the hate for Seagate, I know they had a bad batch a few years ago which really tarnished their reputation, but I have always had good luck with Seagate's.
I purchased a 500gb from ocuk back in 2010 and this drive was used 24/7 for over 6 years as a recording drive for my dual DVB-T2 card, literally recorded 50 programmes a week in sd and hd (used to be a scene capper lol) and all encoding was done on that drive too! - I passed on that drive to a friend in 2016 and he is still using it as a storage drive for music in 2018
That's damn impressive, I heard from a friend that the larger the hdd size the more prone to failure they are, especially over 4tb and the larger the size the more prone to failure. although that's just his opinion.
I have also had good luck with WD, had a 2tb WD blue used as a storage drive for 5 years before passing it on to a friend (the same one) and he is still using it almost 2 years later.
I purchased a 500gb from ocuk back in 2010 and this drive was used 24/7 for over 6 years as a recording drive for my dual DVB-T2 card, literally recorded 50 programmes a week in sd and hd (used to be a scene capper lol) and all encoding was done on that drive too! - I passed on that drive to a friend in 2016 and he is still using it as a storage drive for music in 2018
That's damn impressive, I heard from a friend that the larger the hdd size the more prone to failure they are, especially over 4tb and the larger the size the more prone to failure. although that's just his opinion.
I have also had good luck with WD, had a 2tb WD blue used as a storage drive for 5 years before passing it on to a friend (the same one) and he is still using it almost 2 years later.
