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Another RTX GPU Moan Thread

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TBH its more about buy the card do it but don't tell me the card is good when its not....I could buy one, two , three if I wanted...But I looked at the data and took a gamble on a 1080ti. But If I had bought one. I would be honest for the community.

Not just spout nonsense to make me feel better about my decision.

But it is a good card. It's literally the best graphics card in the world, short of the compute based cards and I don't even know how they perform in games. But for the gaming market, it's literally the best card. So I have no idea what you're banging on about. Is it **** price to performance? Yes. But I've literally just been over that above. Is it **** performance? No. It beats every other card on the market.
 
But it is a good card. It's literally the best graphics card in the world, short of the compute based cards and I don't even know how they perform in games. But for the gaming market, it's literally the best card. So I have no idea what you're banging on about. Is it **** price to performance? Yes. But I've literally just been over that above. Is it **** performance? No. It beats every other card on the market.

So? Cost is just discarded in any discussion cause its the fastest card?

And its **** performance delta -with its USP
 
So? Cost is just discarded in any discussion cause its the fastest card?

And its **** performance with its USP

Well yes, that is literally the discussion we've been having. Cost is discounted because

a) cost is irrelevant to many purchasers, hence why they were purchased in the first place. Like the people for whom $400 is a meaningless amount. Cost is subjective to the end user.

and

b) because the best cards are NEVER price/performance efficient.

If someone wants the absolute best performance, they have to buy a GTX 2080ti. That is just a fact.

If I said the 1080ti is a rubbish card because it costs nearly 4x as much as an RX570 but only performs 2x as good, what would you have to say for that? You'd call me moron. But it's literally the same argument you're making against an 2080ti. Can't pick and choose when a variable matters to fit your argument.
 
a) cost is irrelevant to many purchasers
Thats fine. Then soak it up and move on. Don't get defensive when the common man questions your choice, Stand Strong and wallow in your performance gains. Don't then manipulate me or the masses with falsehood. You can drive the Porsche but I can still question your choice without taking your ball home.

b) because the best cards are NEVER price/performance efficient.
You're right No they're not. So admit you have bought a card that cannot push your res with the feature set you bought.

If someone wants the absolute best performance, they have to buy a GTX 2080ti. That is just a fact.

I'm not disputing this


Can't pick and choose when a variable matters to fit your argument.

Exactly my point all along....You bought a 2080ti ...don't now tell me it looks great pushing 40fps with RT just to fit your argument or purchasing choice.
 
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Thats fine. Then soak it up and move on. Don't get defensive when the common man questions your choice, Stand Strong and wallow in your performance gains. Don't then manipulate me or the masses with falsehood. You can drive the Porsche but I can still question your choice without taking your ball home.

You're right No they're not. So admit you have bought a card that cannot push your res with the feature set you bought.



I'm not disputing this




Exactly my point all along....You bought a 2080ti ...don't now tell me it looks great pushing 40fps with RT just fit your argument or purchasing choice.

I don't own a 2080ti.

In fact, I don't own any GPU at the moment.

Conversely, I pretty much ONLY buy at the price/performance point because screw paying £600 or £800 or even £1000 for a GPU for marginal performance increases. 8800GT --> HD 5770 --> HD 7850 2gb --> 1060 6gb --> iGPU, waiting for the next AMD 7nm offering because screw paying Nvidia prices also.

Oh wow, look at that. I'm criticising the price, for me. Not the card - because it's amazing, not the people that purchased it - because they can afford it, but Nvidia and the price in and of itself.

Never seen someone so jealous over a graphics card, to the point where they have to try to bring down those that purchased it. Incredibly pathetic.
 
I've got to admit, that's exactly how it's beginning to look.

I actually bought a pair of 2080 Ti cards because of all the negative comments by easyrider and others.:D

The EVGA FTW3 2080 Ti is a fantastic card and two of them together look very nice.:)

3mHW98u.jpg
 
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I actually bought a pair of 2080 Ti cards because of all the negative comments by easyrider and others.:D

The EVGA FTW3 2080 Ti is a fantastic card and two of them together look very nice.:)

Looks gorgeous mate.

I was away from PC gaming for nearly a decade, aside from the odd blast on my laptop.

Coming back to it this year I went 8086K, 1TB Samsung 970 pro, watercooling, 32GB DDR4 4000, and of course a 2080Ti. I figured I might as well go the whole hog.

Understandably, I've been utterly blown away by what it's capable of, but more importantly, I use this machine daily for work and it's increased my productivity ten fold.

Contrary to most here, i'm really not understanding the extreme negativity around RTX performance. I have a 4K 60HZ monitor and am currently getting around 70fps at 1440p and 40 fps at 4K in Battlefield V.

I genuinely think that for a first example of such an early stage technology, this is quite impressive for a few reasons:

- DICE have stated that they still have RTX in the pipeline in a synchronous manner, when they know that they can use it asynchronously and just need the development time. (This would mean that raytracing wouldn't be eating into the general rasterisation budget as the two would be performed in parallel).

- DLSS seems to give an incredible boost on the FFXV demo and I actually prefer the image to native 4K.

Even if we consider just the potential impact of adding in DLSS to BFV alone, then we would end up seeing the 2080Ti deliver around 60FPS at 4K with RTX and DLSS on, which would max out the vast majority of 4K monitors out there.

How on Earth could that be considered anything other than a triumph? I'm honestly asking, I just don't get it. :confused:

Still, I understand all the complaining about the price and I'm in complete agreement with everyone else in that regard. But at this stage I absolutely cannot agree with the overwhelming amount of negativity surrounding RTX performance. And that's not me trying to justify my purchase at all, because I use it for work daily and it's paid for itself already in terms of increased productivity.
 
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I actually bought a pair of 2080 Ti cards because of all the negative comments by easyrider and others.:D

The EVGA FTW3 2080 Ti is a fantastic card and two of them together look very nice.:)

3mHW98u.jpg
Although personally I am not going drop that amount of crazy money the RTX2080ti are asking for, I still think all these hype surrounding RT and DLSS are is not meaningful at the with the current gen RTX cards, as they clearly lack the capability to perform well enough for practical use.

I honestly think people that are dropping £1200+ on a graphic card (or 2) they would be better off with a "GTX" 2080ti, with the extra silicon space used for extra Stream Processors/CUDA cores over the RT cores etc, and get even more performance in ALL games rather than starring at reflective puddles all day while taking a up to 70% performance hit in number of games that can counted with on possibly one hand before 7nm cards arrive.

I know businesses are always in the practices of "create a problem, sell a solution", but in Nvidia's case their products that are launched in 2018 on the 12nm process are simply not ready to address the problem that they are trying to convince the gaming world need tackling, as clearly 7nm process would required for having enough density for packing actual necessary amount RT cores etc alongside the CUDA cores.

Also, I am still skeptical about how widely would RT really be adapted and used in games; it could go the way of the PhysX for all we know.

The way I see it is that people buying the 2080Ti cards they are essentially paying £800 for the card, and £400+ towards an already very wealthy company on "GoFundMe" or "Kickstarter" project on RTX :p
 
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Looks gorgeous mate.

I was away from PC gaming for nearly a decade, aside from the odd blast on my laptop.

Coming back to it this year I went 8086K, 1TB Samsung 970 pro, watercooling, 32GB DDR4 4000, and of course a 2080Ti. I figured I might as well go the whole hog.

Understandably, I've been utterly blown away by what it's capable of, but more importantly, I use this machine daily for work and it's increased my productivity ten fold.

Contrary to most here, i'm really not understanding the extreme negativity around RTX performance. I have a 4K 60HZ monitor and am currently getting around 70fps at 1440p and 40 fps at 4K in Battlefield V.

I genuinely think that for a first example of such an early stage technology, this is quite impressive for a few reasons:

- DICE have stated that they still have RTX in the pipeline in a synchronous manner, when they know that they can use it asynchronously and just need the development time. (This would mean that raytracing wouldn't be eating into the general rasterisation budget as the two would be performed in parallel).

- DLSS seems to give an incredible boost on the FFXV demo and I actually prefer the image to native 4K.

Even if we consider just the potential impact of adding in DLSS to BFV alone, then we would end up seeing the 2080Ti deliver around 60FPS at 4K with RTX and DLSS on, which would max out the vast majority of 4K monitors out there.

How on Earth could that be considered anything other than a triumph? I'm honestly asking, I just don't get it. :confused:

Still, I understand all the complaining about the price and I'm in complete agreement with everyone else in that regard. But at this stage I absolutely cannot agree with the overwhelming amount of negativity surrounding RTX performance. And that's not me trying to justify my purchase at all, because I use it for work daily and it's paid for itself already in terms of increased productivity.

Totally agree.:)
 
Although personally I am not going drop that amount of crazy money the RTX2080ti are asking for, I still think all these hype surrounding RT and DLSS are is not meaningful at the with the current gen RTX cards, as they clearly lack the capability to perform well enough for practical use.

I honestly think people that are dropping £1200+ on a graphic card (or 2) they would be better off with a "GTX" 2080ti, with the extra silicon space used for extra Stream Processors/CUDA cores over the RT cores etc, and get even more performance in ALL games rather than starring at reflective puddles all day while taking a up to 70% performance hit in number of games that can counted with on possibly one hand before 7nm cards arrive.

I know businesses are always in the practices of "create a problem, sell a solution", but in Nvidia's case their products that are launched in 2018 on the 12nm process are simply not ready to address the problem that they are trying to convince the gaming world need tackling, as clearly 7nm process would required for having enough density for packing actual necessary amount RT cores etc alongside the CUDA cores.

Also, I am still skeptical about how widely would RT really be adapted and used in games; it could go the way of the PhysX for all we know.

The way I see it is that people buying the 2080Ti cards they are essentially paying £800 for the card, and £400+ towards an already very wealthy company on "GoFundMe" or "Kickstarter" project on RTX :p

This time last year plenty of people were willing to drop £1200 on a Titan Xp.

Now people can drop £1200 on a 2080 Ti and get 30% more performance for the same money.

If RTX and DLSS work that will be fantastic, if they don't you still have the extra performance in normal gaming situations.

Yes the pricing is very high and hopefully on 7nm things will improve but pricing is also high on lots of everyday things too.
 
the sad thing is card owners dont even get to watch the FF15 DLSS demo, as that was only ever released to the press.

It's available to download now. It was released a couple of days ago. Having run it several times both with and without DLSS at 4K, I can firmly say that I prefer the DLSS image, it looks far more natural to me. And of course the 35% to 45% performance boost doesn't hurt either. :p
 
It's available to download now. It was released a couple of days ago. Having run it several times both with and without DLSS at 4K, I can firmly say that I prefer the DLSS image, it looks far more natural to me. And of course the 35% to 45% performance boost doesn't hurt either. :p
I will be sceptical about DLSS until we see it in real games, rather than demos personally. But I do hope it ends up being as good if not better by the time the 3080Ti comes out so I would have the option of using it on the most demanding of games for extra fps in the future.

We will know in the next 12-18 months whether all this RTX stuff will be a success or another PhysX by how many new games coming out which will support either ray tracing or dlss on release.
 
I will be sceptical about DLSS until we see it in real games, rather than demos personally.

As long as the demo isn't pre-rendered video footage, which it definitely isn't, then there's no real reason to be sceptical as far as I can see.

It's merely highly advanced AI based up-scaling which should work just as well in game.

But still, you're quite right, faking it is technically possible and it's not like companies haven't stooped that low in the past.
 
As long as the demo isn't pre-rendered video footage, which it definitely isn't, then there's no real reason to be sceptical as far as I can see.

It's merely highly advanced AI based up-scaling which should work just as well in game.

But still, you're quite right, faking it is technically possible and it's not like companies haven't stooped that low in the past.

What I am saying is, in a demo they maybe making it look better than it will be in actual games which is not on rails so much. The fact that they have enabled it to work on a demo and not the full Final Fantasy 15 game is a bit revealing. It must be a lot harder to do, otherwise they would have done it by now.

Also as I mentioned, let’s see how many games actually end up using it on release in the next say 18 months. It could easily be the next PhysX, so I won’t get too excited until I see mass adoption or at the very least see it on AAA games like Cyberpunk 2077.
 
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b) DLSS & Ray tracing are using the tensor cores. You can have one or the other not both.


Why do you continuously post such absolute rubbish. Almost every post you have ever made about Nvidia just is a complete lie. Its just so bizzare that you go out of your way to purposely spread fake rubbish in every post.
 
What I am saying is, in a demo they maybe making it look better than it will be in actual games which is not on rails so much.

I understand what you're saying, but from the explanations of the technology involved, I still don't see any reason why it should make any difference. It's still just a post processing effect.

The input, be it a live game, or an on-rails demo, shouldn't technically make any difference at all in the same way that anti-aliasing or other up-scaling methods don't, unless of course they are actually doing something very deliberately deceitful under the hood.

The fact that they have enabled it to work on a demo and not the full Final Fantasy 15 game is a bit revealing. It must be a lot harder to do, otherwise they would have done it by now.

I disagree. Square Enix have halted all PC development and the demo was created some time ago. I expect that as a result of halting development, they've simply not shipped off the game to NVidia in order to get an accurate DLSS profile.

Of course I could be completely wrong on all of this. This is just my current reasoning and until new evidence suggest otherwise, it's what I feel is most likely.
 
Why do you continuously post such absolute rubbish. Almost every post you have ever made about Nvidia just is a complete lie. Its just so bizzare that you go out of your way to purposely spread fake rubbish in every post.

You didn't followed the discussion eh?
Tensor cores are used for denoising ray tracing produced by rt cores. Do you believe DLSS would be able to be handled also at same time?

Is on the Nvidia presentations btw.

However I will bookmark your post, and comes next year, if there is any DLSS & RT game, I will say mea culpa. If there isn't any though, i will respond accordingly
 
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This time last year plenty of people were willing to drop £1200 on a Titan Xp.

Care to back that up with some actual numbers?

Here's a helping hand, you can't. No one can, since there is no where Nvidia release this information, and even if you look at the 'owners' thread it's got about 10 people with an Xp on it.
 
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