Anti War demo's this Saturday

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I actually happen to agree that blocking roads is not very productive action, but people are VERY ****** off now with this, and it's all they feel they can do.
I should know, my g/f was up all night shouting at George Bush on the TV, and is now out protesting in town (where she's been all day). She's not even a soap dodger, she's on 50k, but has a conscience.
 
Originally posted by [ASSE]Hinchy
Would it play on her conscience if she knew that us not going to try and remove Sadam Hussain from power would result in the murders of innocent Iraqi people by their own leader? Or would it not bother her seeing as it wouldn't affect her personally :rolleyes:

Selfish if that is the case ;)

She grew up in Libya, and has friends across the Middle East. Her parents are in Saudi now. She and they know more about the region than you or I ever could.

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Originally posted by Over Clocker
tbh, people are gettin more peeved off with protestors sitting in roads.

I think that may be the point. Since the population of Britain has allowed the war to go ahead, they must share some of the Iraqi peoples pain. I guess that's what it's down to anyhow. Maybe you should pop out and ask a protester. I can guarantee they'll be a LOT around this evening.

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Originally posted by [ASSE]Hinchy
So why is she against the war if she knows what the place is like? If Iraqi people are trying to get out the country then it can't be such a rosey place after all can it? :rolleyes:

It's not great, but nor is it as bad as we've had it made out to us. I think people are trying to leave the country now because it's about to get bombed back to the stone age. The guys who had it tough before, are the Kurds, and frankly it's not just Saddam having a go at them. Turkey has a fairly bad record in this area too, but we don't talk about that because we want to fly planes out of there.

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Originally posted by Over Clocker
btw, a reporter asked a head protester a question yesterday regarding why she is protesting, and what she would would rather see happen. Her answer, was to look embarassed and stay silent.

Can you give me a link to that please? I know a few 'head protesters'. Could be my g/f even, she's interviewed enough at the mo.

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Originally posted by dirtydog
I find it tiring arguing the case against the war on this forum, because the majority here are against it, and a large proportion resort to patronising and insulting language in response.

I've learned that the fact a majority believe something to be right, does not necessarily mean it is right. This war is a clear example of that. The arguments against it are irresistible and overwhelming yet the pro-war people ignore the mass of evidence which conflicts with their entrenched blinkered position.

Quite.

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Originally posted by Over Clocker
Buck, if you really feel for the plight of the Iraqi people, why not talk the millions who have been displaced by Saddam. Even before the Gulf war 1.

Do you know the fear they felt. Do you know haow hard it is to move from your home, knowing any of your family you leave behind will shot at dawn??

Do you Know??

I ask.

Do you know who put Saddam in power, and sold him his arms, knowing he would use them on the Kurds?

Do you know?

I ask.
 
I think that in general people try to find information to affirm what they already believe. This war is a classic for that.

Lets just hope that as many people survive as possible.

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Originally posted by Over Clocker
I hope as many peole survise as possible too.

btw, if you watched bbc as i type, its laughable what some protesters are saying. They obviously have no clue, and are spoiling the name of genuine protesters, perhaps people like your girlfriend.

"Why are you here today"

"i wanted to come to support my friends here, war is wrong cos people get killed."

All this was said whilst giggling!

Hmmmm. Nice. Some people aren't as good at expressing themselves as others, plus, the BBC news does have a tendancy (noticed over this whole thing) to show a fairly pro-government stance on stuff. Showing clips like that (probably one duff comment out of thousands) makes the whole anti-war thing look 'silly' which is just what the government want now.

Of course she may be indicative of the entire antiwar movement, simpering silly folk who don't know whether they're coming or going.

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Right, my g/f who is much better informed than I, and has just got back from protesting is here to answer any questions you pro war types might have. You have a Stop the War coordinator available.

Ask on.

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Originally posted by Over Clocker
If we didnt attack due to the protests, and Saddam carried on killing the very many that he does, would you feel responsible?

I presume (hope) you also feel Saddam should not be in power any longer? Please suggest an alternative method of ousting him.

Do you of the plight or the Iraqi people? Do you know how they feel?

What do you feel you will gain by protesting?

What do you feel about the lame protesters who are spoiling the name of the genuine ones, such as yourself.

Would your stance change at all if banned weapons were found or used?


Thank you for your time.


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Hello. I'm Rach. Sorry, but I don't quite know what you mean by "lame protesters" - do they hobble?

Saddam is an a**e, yes. no one disputes this, but by bombing all hell out of a country you will kill thousands of innocent people. This is why we object to it. 500,000 children died in Iraq due to UN embargoes (and Madeliene Albright said that that price was "worth it"!!!) and Dennis Halliday, UN Co-ordinator of Humanitarian relief resigned his post in 1998 saying that the UN wa rsponsible for "genocide" in the country (his successor also resigned for the same reasons). So if you ask about deaths in Iraq, I say that our countries are causing them. Not Iraq (he's still a w**ker, don't get me wrong). Also, the US and UK govenments funded the gassing of the Kurds in Halabja and not one western country spoke out about this, while the protest groups i am involved with did speak out. So again, who wants to help people?

Method of ousting Saddam? Stop starving the people, denying them of cancer treatment for the 500% increase in cancer around Basra (Iraq) because the the depleted uranium we used there, stop denying them the means of education. Then they might be able to do something themselves against him.

Of course i feel for the Iraqi's. I grew up in Libya, and that is very similar, and they are the most friendly, accepting and charming people you will ever meet. And, sadly, horribly oppressed. And I do know Iraqis here. We work closely with Iraqi Kurds here. One of our local speakers, Yassim Gaffour, lost his whole family in Halabja gassing and fled to the UK. He opposes this war. He knows innocents will die and he's seen enough of it. Obviously he wants rid off saddam, but not by killing thousands of people.

By protesting we are trying to show that we oppose this. Generate discussion and make people like you ask questions so that you don't just get your information from the BBC propaganda Greg Dyke bulls**t we're fed. Seek INFORMATION!! Not hype. Read!!! I oppose this war because of what I've found out ... and believe me, I wish I hadn't. It's sunny now. I want to chill out and have fun. i don't want to spend all my time doing this. But once you've found out, it's outrageous, and if you have a soul you can't but object. It's insane!!

If all banned weapons were found I would say "hoorah - ditch them noW! and now move on to Israel and get rid of their chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. And then the US (who have used all 3 types, which no other country has done ... don't you thing that makes them the greatest threat?!!!) and then the UK. Pakistan and India. All the mad nutters. All the horrific weapons. And I would say, this is the LAST time the UK sells these weapons to people. If you don't want them to have them. Don't give them. If you want to know what they have, check your ******* invoice!

Please read lots. The information is out there. People are people the world over. If you have no personal quarrel with them, please help them. They're helpless. We have a voice. Thank you.

(really sorry, just been told I can't swear. Please accept edits)

/edit - Just tidied up presentation for Over Clocker ;) , sorry d00d S
 
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mmmmm yes. Im an anti-war protestor. I've made a t-shirt - it says "save our boys - stop the war". Also, "no blood for oil". Unfortunately those poor British soldiers will be personally responsible for the crimes against humanity and war crimes that they WILL be responsible for (see http://www.un.org/law/icc/ especially articles 7 (a (b has already gone on for 12 years - hence Dennis Halliday's resignation) and k) and 8 (b)). So will Tony Blair. This war is illegal at the very least

- Rach
 
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OMG!

I just saw the news on what the US has proposed as the rebuilding plan (awarded to one of 5 US companies). It even includes an anti abortion clause, who should be in government, and who runs the businesses :eek: And this was on BBC news too.

If you need any evidence about America's aims, then look at this.

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Sorry m8, was adjusting the posts above.

My research was, and is, in progress.

Since there was a request above for opinion and reaction, I thought I'd drop mine in to that broadcast ;)

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