Any reason not to upgrade to 10?
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thread underneath yours has much info for you
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18700591
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18700591
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I'll upgrade and see how I get on! Need a bigger SSD though so maybe worth me upgrading then doing a fresh install when the new one comes?Amd drivers to adjust screen brightness on laptops are buggered.
Otherwise no real complaints so far, new start menu takes a bit of getting used to, and I miss my shortcut to control panel on the top menu in ''my computer''.
Much better than 8/8.1, that was a real piece of ****.
Put it on my lappy I use for work, no problems at all. Use it for 8 hrs a day at work, and sometimes an hour or 2 at home.
On my home pc I'm still on 7, but will upgrade later just before the free upgrade promotion ends.
Performance wise it didn't improve anything over 7 imho, ( well yeah bootup, but I always use sleep so not really a plus for me)...
Battery life of my lappy did improve on win 10.
Otherwise no real complaints so far, new start menu takes a bit of getting used to, and I miss my shortcut to control panel on the top menu in ''my computer''.
Much better than 8/8.1, that was a real piece of ****.
Put it on my lappy I use for work, no problems at all. Use it for 8 hrs a day at work, and sometimes an hour or 2 at home.
On my home pc I'm still on 7, but will upgrade later just before the free upgrade promotion ends.
Performance wise it didn't improve anything over 7 imho, ( well yeah bootup, but I always use sleep so not really a plus for me)...
Battery life of my lappy did improve on win 10.
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Can't really see any pressing need unless you do a lot of stuff with the whole phone/tablet/desktop ecosystem and/or into apps.
If you are a mainstream consumer then you might find it does some things better than 7 but if you are more of a power user you will likely find Windows 7 is just better.
While 10 certainly has some low level performance and stability benefits I find that Windows 7 overall is faster booting - sure Windows 10 when its all setup properly "can" boot faster but more often than not it will decide it needs to apply some updates, etc. on start up leaving you waiting several minutes even when its not doing a full update or just randomly decide its going to be slow booting. Same with UI performance its often slow and buggy even though on a good day it can outperform 7 more often than not overall it lags behind.
For tablets and some laptops there may be a significant improvement in terms of support and performance of things like connected standby (which doesn't even work on 7 and has some issues on 8 that are fixed in 10) which may be of benefit.
If you are a mainstream consumer then you might find it does some things better than 7 but if you are more of a power user you will likely find Windows 7 is just better.
While 10 certainly has some low level performance and stability benefits I find that Windows 7 overall is faster booting - sure Windows 10 when its all setup properly "can" boot faster but more often than not it will decide it needs to apply some updates, etc. on start up leaving you waiting several minutes even when its not doing a full update or just randomly decide its going to be slow booting. Same with UI performance its often slow and buggy even though on a good day it can outperform 7 more often than not overall it lags behind.
For tablets and some laptops there may be a significant improvement in terms of support and performance of things like connected standby (which doesn't even work on 7 and has some issues on 8 that are fixed in 10) which may be of benefit.
I've been mostly very happy with it, and I did an upgrade install over a three year old Win7 installation. No crashes, no performance issues, no slowdowns. It does occasionally take a little while to shut down but it's not really causing any hassle.
I say go for it. It hasn't changed the way I use my computer much but it's nice having a more modern OS and UI and I don't really find myself missing anything about Win7.
I say go for it. It hasn't changed the way I use my computer much but it's nice having a more modern OS and UI and I don't really find myself missing anything about Win7.
This I'm curious about, not saying I think it's bad, but Win 10 is not really faster or smoother than Win 7 and even 8.1 in some examples.
I've installed Win10 on various hardware configurations, slow and fast ( eg. both low end core 2 duo+hdd ish configurations and i7 + ssd), and it's not really faster than 7 or 8 is it ? The only thing it's better than 7 in, is boot time, but otherwise ?
And smoothness wise, in win 7 you could press the win key and ram ''note'' or ''iexpl'' or ''visu'' and hit enter and it would start notepad, internet explorer or visual studio.
In Win 10, if you do it to fast, it will ''search for xxx in market'' because the desktop applications are not the top result or haven't even been found yet, you have to wait till they show in results before you can hit enter, or it will start looking in market or in apps or wherever it looks grrr. The search algorithm is worse than in 7 and 8... I also don't like the moving away from control panel to the new windows ''settings'' app, and simple UI nibbles like missing my control panel button in the explorer navigation bar.
Since superfetch in Vista, there haven't really been any performance improvements at all for Windows, yes a cutdown in processes and services from Vista > 7, and the way Windows 8 ''shuts down''/boots ( especially for uefi systems), and TRIM since 7. but name 1 thing that Win 10 improved performance wise for loading/starting and running apps ? Dx12 is still new and doesn't really offer much afaik for any older games.
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No reason at all to not upgrade.
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That quick search notepad/whatever works fine for me on 10, I use it constantly to launch things. Though I have disabled a few of the tiles on the menu and turned off some other bits.
Part of the reason people say this... they go from a Windows 7 install that has existed for months/years and is fairly loaded up with stuff to a fresh 10 install and surprise everything at first runs a bit more responsively!
Tried to recreate the problem on my lappy to show what I mean ( with video) and now I couldn't, it did what I wanted, I'm sure this didn't work properly before, ah well.
This is probably it. Stupid to compare this though, because what's interesting, is how it behaves fully loaded, not on a fresh install! My windows start with 100+ processes, and a fresh install is not an option ( to hell with that, then I'll be spending DAYS/tens of hours to get it all like I want it...).
There has been not one instance where Windows 10 worked noticeably faster than 7 in all the upgrade installs I did for customers/friends. Just check some windows 10 benchmarkt, Windows 7 is fastest in some situations, Windows 8 in others, and Windows 10 in some.
There is no real difference between the 3.
I personally sit in the ''don't fix what isn't broken'' front so continue to run Windows 7 Ulti on my home/gaming/multimedia pc: no AV, no automatic updates, as that feels FAR more responsive than Win 10 on my lappy ( which isn't bad specs wise, i5, 8gb, 840 evo ssd), at least until the last month of ''free upgrade''. I upgrade customers because it's free, and it gives me work, but otherwise, bar some some small improvements ( I quite like the action center, and the 3rd buttom from left on bottom right of the taskbar, the one that shows all windows beside each other), what's the point ?
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Hey all,
I'm still sat on windows 7 on my e6520 and am wondering if there are any major reasons not to upgrade to 10? I see a lot of dislike for the privacy stuff but honestly - is it that bad?
Thank you
I must admit I absolutely love windows 10 and have had no issues with it that directly relate to Microsoft.
The only issue I had was the windows update setting for hardware on your computer as it updated my NVidia drivers with a crap version - for the first day I couldn't enable SLI when I was still running SLI.
Aside from that, the privacy stuff can be turned off during the initial install and if you are really concerned about it - then update your hosts file to block it.
In regards to drivers - I haven't found any issues with driver support, nor have a few of my friends on various laptop brands etc - HP/Asus/Dell.
IMO - it is a worthwhile upgrade as it runs better, looks better and is a step in the right direction.
Obviously - my experience of no issues seems to be a rare one in these threads but consider the % of people who have moved over globally, then consider that in real numbers and compare to negative feedback - pretty good result IMO
Try older laptops, I haven't been able to properly install a Geforce GO 6100 ( or 6150, or 6200, can't remember, either way a mobile 6 series), the Vista driver causes flashing browser windows/rendering problems of websites, and there is no official Win10 driver.
Also on my mums older lappy, radeon X1100 Mobilty, I've had enough problems with finding a Win7 driver, so I have my doubts about Win10. ( Otherwise the lappy is still more than fine T7200 and 4GB RAM, fine for home use).
Also, I still can't adjust the screen brightness with windows, only with my keyboard. ( this on an AMD HD5470)
How does it run better ? Benchmarks clearly show it's not faster in any way at all. It's very slightly faster in some things ( eg. PCmark or other benchies), and very slightly slower in other things (simple things like loading MS Excel or Word).
Looks wise I'm not a fan of the more ''flat'' look. I hated Win 8 though mind. Subjective obviously though!
Step in the right direction, I'm not sure, for the average user, perhaps yeah, all maintenance and stuff is done automatically and better than in 7, but for the power user, I'm kind of annoyed how dumbed down some things ( win updates for example) are. Not having full screen Metro is a major improvement, but other things aren't better imo. Especially all the ''Windows Store'' apps are rubbish, the built in Email client is rubbish, couldn't set many email accounts up at all ( they would receive mails, but not able to post), edge is still inferior to many other browsers, bloody xbox integration ( some of my clients were missing a normal offline ''classic'' version of solitaire or spider solitaire).
On my lappy I don't use any of the ''windows store/start menu'' apps, they do my head in, luckily Office 365 ( and its outlook) still works like it should, because the stock mail client is a joke, inferior to even outlook express from win xp. The multi taskbar is inferior to displayfusion ( no system tray/clock on secondary or 3rd screen). No ability to set an individual rotation of desktop backgrounds per screen.
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Windows 7 is far slicker visually (sure I can see that some will prefer the flatter look) but 7 is far more polished with complimentary UI elements, well thought out, icons and UI elements have far higher production quality (partly due I believe to them contracting someone very talented to produce them for 7) Windows 10 isn't even in the same league for the attention to detail that went into creating the UI even if some elements are a little dated now.
I am basing it solely on my own experience with it which wont apply to everyone but at the same time your experiences wont apply to everyone either which is understandable
Anyway, to try and cover a few of your points:
Older laptops:
that's true - the friends are on more current laptops - so I get your point, I haven't tried on older hardware for laptops specifically.
My mums computer is relatively old hardware in current terms and upgraded it to w10 - running fine with no problems(I cant remember the hardware so wont use this as an example)
Running better:
I saw a 7% RAM drop on fresh install over windows 8.1, I was able to compare this as I messed up my windows 10 install so needed to go back to 8.1 and upgrade again. So on 8.1 I was idling at 19% usage, dropped to 12% on 10. This was on initial desktop without me altering anything.
I have four monitors and it was much smoother dragging various windows around each monitor etc.
Looks wise:
Personal opinion - I like the flat look and the modern control panel but that's not to everyones tastes which is cool.
I also like the fact users have been given a choice when it comes to start menu or the modern UI screen like 8 - I feel this was a very end user supported move as they cant purely please the haters of modern UI without affecting the users who much prefer the start menu.
I was on the start menu boat but got used to modern UI in 8 - in 10 however, I am right back to the start menu.
Step in the right direction:
At the moment IMO, there is a clear divide between the windows settings, in terms of modern and legacy for a reason - to please both average user plus power user - sort of the same idea as the start menu vs modern UI.
If you go through the normal settings menu you will be met with the modern control panel which for the average user, details the options they need in a more visual format - this is much better for people who are not on this forum for example. My mum finds 10 easier to use in that respect.
For power users or more advanced users, a simple right click on the start menu will bring you into the legacy control panel with the proper options for everything that an average end user wont fully understand or appreciate the need of.
I think this divide is very relevant in terms of pleasing everyone and is a good move....for the time being as I know they plan to migrate the whole thing over - BAD IDEA.
In terms of maintenance - this can be setup just like 7/8 but yes - is automated on initial boot.
Apps & the appstore:
I don't see the problem with this. If you are upgrading from 7 - these weren't an option so why use them if you don't want to?
If you are upgrading from 8 - then there is a significant improvement in the default mail/people apps and the app interface overall. It is much quicker, much nicer looking and much more user friendly.
Me for example - I have one personal outlook email address added in my mail app as well as my corporate email address and it performs perfectly. Calendar app also works perfectly with 2.
Edge:
this is a work in progress which I understand but I agree it is inferior to other browsers at the moment but if what Microsoft says is true about extension support etc then it will be better than all current browsers. Chrome is a RAM eater, firefox is a bloated PoS, and IE - well.....I could scrape something off my shoe better at browsing the internet than that.
Overall - my personal experience has been a great one based on my own needs, as well as corporate needs in terms of email/remote desktop/vpn access etc but I must reiterate, this will not apply to everyone.
Also - gaming. DX12 ftw
^ Fair enough, about most points, I hated windows 8 and 8.1 and went back to 7 after months of swearing on my lappy. So never really used all the old metro apps. I've had big problems setting up older ISP pop3/smtp accounts on the stock mail client for clients, they should include windows live mail as the default desktop mail client, not the new app.
RAM drop: I don't see this as a good thing necessarily, this is fine for low RAM systems eg. 2-4gb. For higher end systems, I'd like as much of my ram used as possible, I have 8 Gb in my lappy now and 32 GB on my desktop pc... For all I care the whole Windows folder is always loaded in the ram preferably on my main pc and the rest filled with superfetch/cache of my most used apps and games .
Some things run a bit slower on Win 10 than on older versions, compressing/decompressing is one example, but general i/o operation + ram heavy apps seem to have suffered a bit in some situations.
Must say I haven't used remote desktop in ages, I always use LogMeIn at work and Teamviewer privately.
The whole UI doesn't allow much customization/eye candy, the animations are ok, fair enough, but the color settings, the themes, the Windows style, it's all very bland.
I could go on for ages how I hate metro, but I'll just say that I've not heard one client ( mostly elderly, during the day I'm a software dev, during the weekends and evening I help mostly old people with computers) who liked full screen metro, they all loved it when I put classicshell on Win 8, and also dislike the Win10 start menu compared to win 7 or even xp start menu. Me myself, I hate metro with every passion, even on a 8'' tablet I end up working from desktop mode and not from metro mode. And 8.1 without classicshell is a no go for me. In windows 10, I'm (still, after months of daily 8+ hr use lol) getting used to the new start menu, but I can't call it an improvement yet tbh. The action center on the other hand is nice.
RAM drop: I don't see this as a good thing necessarily, this is fine for low RAM systems eg. 2-4gb. For higher end systems, I'd like as much of my ram used as possible, I have 8 Gb in my lappy now and 32 GB on my desktop pc... For all I care the whole Windows folder is always loaded in the ram preferably on my main pc
and the rest filled with superfetch/cache of my most used apps and games .Some things run a bit slower on Win 10 than on older versions, compressing/decompressing is one example, but general i/o operation + ram heavy apps seem to have suffered a bit in some situations.
Must say I haven't used remote desktop in ages, I always use LogMeIn at work and Teamviewer privately.
The whole UI doesn't allow much customization/eye candy, the animations are ok, fair enough, but the color settings, the themes, the Windows style, it's all very bland.
I could go on for ages how I hate metro, but I'll just say that I've not heard one client ( mostly elderly, during the day I'm a software dev, during the weekends and evening I help mostly old people with computers) who liked full screen metro, they all loved it when I put classicshell on Win 8, and also dislike the Win10 start menu compared to win 7 or even xp start menu. Me myself, I hate metro with every passion, even on a 8'' tablet I end up working from desktop mode and not from metro mode. And 8.1 without classicshell is a no go for me. In windows 10, I'm (still, after months of daily 8+ hr use lol) getting used to the new start menu, but I can't call it an improvement yet tbh. The action center on the other hand is nice.
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^ Fair enough, about most points, I hated windows 8 and 8.1 and went back to 7 after months of swearing on my lappy. So never really used all the old metro apps. I've had big problems setting up older ISP pop3/smtp accounts on the stock mail client for clients, they should include windows live mail as the default desktop mail client, not the new app.
RAM drop: I don't see this as a good thing necessarily, this is fine for low RAM systems eg. 2-4gb. For higher end systems, I'd like as much of my ram used as possible, I have 8 Gb in my lappy now and 32 GB on my desktop pc... For all I care the whole Windows folder is always loaded in the ram preferably on my main pc
Some things run a bit slower on Win 10 than on older versions, compressing/decompressing is one example, but general i/o operation + ram heavy apps seem to have suffered a bit in some situations.
Must say I haven't used remote desktop in ages, I always use LogMeIn at work and Teamviewer privately.
The whole UI doesn't allow much customization/eye candy, the animations are ok, fair enough, but the color settings, the themes, the Windows style, it's all very bland.
I could go on for ages how I hate metro, but I'll just say that I've not heard one client ( mostly elderly, during the day I'm a software dev, during the weekends and evening I help mostly old people with computers) who liked full screen metro, they all loved it when I put classicshell on Win 8, and also dislike the Win10 start menu compared to win 7 or even xp start menu. Me myself, I hate metro with every passion, even on a 8'' tablet I end up working from desktop mode and not from metro mode. And 8.1 without classicshell is a no go for me. In windows 10, I'm (still, after months of daily 8+ hr use lol) getting used to the new start menu, but I can't call it an improvement yet tbh. The action center on the other hand is nice.
Action centre is very good indeed! All it needs is proper 3rd party support and it will be fantastic. This is sort of dependant on the 3rd parties using this API effectively though.
The design - I agree windows 10 does look a bit bland but it also comes back to average vs power user.
I have title bars displayed in my theme colour based on a aero theme edit which can also be done via regedit - this wont be available for average end users which is a pity IMO. Hopefully they introduce this.
What I would like to see is, aside from the choice in modern UI full screen vs start menu, is the choice between the standard w10 start menu and more class view of "All programs" like in windows 7. I think THIS would appeal to almost all end users.
I agree with this.