I believe their usual response of "x god has always existed, x didn't come from anything". Which is a complete cop out.
Personally, my belief is the truth, we just don't know, we cannot possible know, maybe one day we could.
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Any religious people watch the Wonders of Life last night?
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I believe their usual response of "x god has always existed, x didn't come from anything". Which is a complete cop out.
Personally, my belief is the truth, we just don't know, we cannot possible know, maybe one day we could.
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Yep, unless you have the mind capacity of a child. And no that isn't supposed to be an insult, it's just sadly true.
Furthermore, truth is not ascertained by what's easier for you personally to understand anyway. I don't really understand how planes manage to get all that weight to beat gravity but I'm smart enough to realise that experts in aero-physics explanations are more likely to be correct than my non-educated mind.
How isn't there any faith in atheism? Believing the universe came from nothing takes faith, for you have no proof. And anyway, as I've already asked, how can anything be true if atheists believe we are just bunch of atoms? The self is an illusion. Who says you're not hallucinating?
Well I'm a pilot myself so I can teach you about physics.
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I guess the more important question through all of this is what does believing or not believing in one or the other actually achieve or change?
Apart from the ability to debate these ideas and processes.
That's a good question. If we all just die and rot the what's the point learning anything? We're gonna forget it all anyway. The human race will die out and it shall be like we never even existed. Doesn't sound great.
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It's quite interesting that the two cleverest people I know, both of which have PhD's in bio-someting and literally work on researching cures for cancer are also highly religious and believe in creationalism.
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This is another story altogether and one that I certainly struggle with. That's how I say in my first post that believing in religion/afterlife/heaven etc is very comforting indeed and gives you a purpose at least. Unfortunately I've come to the sad realisation that we are a bunch of atoms/chemical processes just coasting through the primary objective that is reproduction
Oh yes it's very bleak.
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Did they get their belief before or after there PhD's?
Knowledge is never forgotten it is recycled and learned anew. Once life is seen as the precious, limited, beautifully brief reality it is then it makes every day infinitely more valuable then the everlasting all is forgiven cop out that is religion.
I beg to differ pal. Most atheists I know do not live their lives like it's their last day. Most of them are constantly consumed with worry.
You do the same with God so what makes you any better?
Not to mention that not all atheists think the same thing, you keep doing this in thread after thread, ascribing views to atheism that have nothing to do with atheism.
In really simple terms so you may get it. The only thing that atheists share is that they do not believe in God. If you ascribe anything other than that to atheism then you are wrong.
Do they? I'd think a typical non-religous person would give the answer "I don't know". You have a pretty similar problem either way.
#1 - God created us all, right? Where the hell did god come from?
or
#2 - The bang bang was the start of the universe as we know it. OK so was was there to go bang?
You don't need anything besides a very superficial understanding of both to understand that both have the same answer of "Oh $n is everlasting" or "I don't know". Realistically it's hypocritical to shoot down the opposite opinion as it's exactly the same as your own.
We don't know crap and the more we think we know the stupider we are. What I can say though is that scientific theory is supposed to be an extrapolation on top of what we can both observe and reproduce, whilst religious beliefs are based pretty much soley on what other people have told you.
Science is far from perfect but it's still better than what you're attempting to shovel.
Seeing as it's entirely relevant to the subject here is one of my favourite presentations on evolution and in particular looking at the god of the gaps mentality. That is the god that seems to consistently appear at the limits of our knowledge and moves along with it always remaining just outside our current knowledge.
For anyone with the time, believers, non-believers, whatever it's an extremely good presentation.
For anyone with the time, believers, non-believers, whatever it's an extremely good presentation.
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i disagree - i have just had a paper accepted where i do just that - its not a massive theory like evolution but it is a scientific theory nevertheless.
a scientific theory doesn't have to be one of the big ones like evolution/relativity etc.
"..a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment" covers any peer reviewed scientific paper where you present data and draw a conclusion.
Accepted by who? Care to link or provide some proof of the existence of your accepted Scientific theory?