Anyone disappointed with AM5 X870 boards?

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X870 boards became available a few days ago and all I can think is "meh". X670E boards are clearly the better buy and cheaper. 7000 is far more appealing than 9000. The ever increasing prices and lessening performance uplifts with each generation are starting to feel eerily familiar. It's almost like we're on the verge of the post-Conroe era all over again. The past ~7 years have been a competitive landscape but I fear that we are returning to another innovation crawl; especially should Intel's upcoming CPUs also be datacentre-focused with a mediocre performance increase for consumers and gamers.

What's everyone's thoughts?
 
I saw the specs in leaks and rumors and they are rarely wrong for the past many years now.

I'm glad I picked up the Asus tuf 670e when I did because I suspect these will have low availability and price spikes potentially.

The 870e has some added features but only for power users but why only 2 USB 4.0 ports, this should have been more.
 
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Raelgun said:
I saw the specs in leaks and rumors and they are rarely wrong for the past many years now.

I'm glad I picked up the Asus tuf 670e when I did because I suspect these will have low availability and price spikes potentially.

The 870e has some added features but only for power users but why only 2 USB 4.0 ports, this should have been more.
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The more USB4 you add the more lanes are consumed, leaving less for M2/PCIE expansion, it's all a balance.

I also went for the TUF X670E and don't regret it at all.
 
Minstadave said:
The more USB4 you add the more lanes are consumed, leaving less for M2/PCIE expansion, it's all a balance.

I also went for the TUF X670E and don't regret it at all.
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I also took advantage of the X670E pricing and picked up a board a few weeks ago after the X870 rumours. Getting a formerly £500 board for £340 is a pretty good deal at this point. The past few days have confirmed my suspicions that it would be much better than any price equivalent X870 board on offer.

I have zero requirements for USB3.x (never mind USB4) and I suspect this is true for most.

For me, I can't see the play with X870. Entry prices to AM5 are already too high and this isn't going to improve it. AMD upping the pricing and model tiers (X870 as the more costly successor of B650E, for example) further muddies the waters.

Compound this with the 9000 series lacklustre increase forcing the parashoot of X3D earlier than planned. It's logical to conclude AMD have made some bad plays this generation.
 
I was going to get a x870e, but I watched the MSI livestream in August with 2 engineer devs and they mentioned several times during the course of the discussion that the USB 4 circuitry was very expensive to implement on the boards.

At that point I thought these boards were going to be ridiculously priced, so I bought an Asus Rog Strix Gaming Wifi B650E-E the following day (decided it was better than the E-F and the X670 Tuf), which I was lucky to pick up on sale for £240 + £40 Asus cashback, so 200 quid. In addition to which this B650E-E board has Thunderbolt 4 which is better than USB 4, I would never use wifi 7 anyway, plus it has PCIE5 graphics and M2 slots, so jobs a goodun. I can put the £200 I saved towards (possibly) a 5090 ;).
 
X870? Barely an argument to be had for having an X670 board over a B650 so its not surprising there is very little on offer other than incremental expansion updates. *shrug*
 
Joxeon said:
Some of the boards are fine and priced similar to their 600 counterparts but some are blatant cash grabs. Take the ASUS X870-F strix for example has a huge price rise over its 600 series predecessor.

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £632.96 (includes delivery: £7.99)​
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youve compared a b650f vs x870f, the direct x670 version is actually a bit more than the b650

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...ocket-am5-ddr5-atx-motherboard-mb-6j6-as.html = £350
 
Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
MB-6JX-AS
£230 (incl. VAT)
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Asus ROG STRIX X870-F GAMING WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
MOT-ASU-03086
£409 (incl. VAT)
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Asus ROG Strix X670E-F Gaming WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
MB-6J6-AS
£340 (incl. VAT)
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So at least on OCuk website, the stock levels for the X670E boards is dwindling, the Tuf X670E is on 'preorder'.

Sadly I was expecting this to happen and other people who want to jump to the AM5 platform now have an even more expensive comparatively platform as AMD has delayed the X850 boards - whatever these will be cut down from the B650 boards.
 
henson0115 said:
youve compared a b650f vs x870f, the direct x670 version is actually a bit more than the b650

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...ocket-am5-ddr5-atx-motherboard-mb-6j6-as.html = £350
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Don’t fool for marketing, the X870 (non E) shares the chipset same spec as the B650E.

I'm sure the consumer confusion is all part of the plan though.

Author_25 said:
KitGuru summed it up best, X870 is X670 with USB 4.
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So even reviewers are now confused, B650E = X870 with USB4 mandatory.

X670 has essentially been discontinued.

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Joxeon said:
Don’t fool for marketing, the X870 (non E) shares the chipset same spec as the B650E.

I'm sure the consumer confusion is all part of the plan though.


So even reviewers are now confused, B650E = X870 with Wifi 7 and USB4 mandatory.
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thats not how people will compare them though, they will look at the same model name or maybe when 600 series was created they added the b650e variant later to add some features back lacking from stopping people from buying b650. either way to people who dont want to drill down they will compare on the name alone.

in any case the board pricing seems to be getting out of hand almost 500 quid for the non top tier board seems a bit much. you shouldnt be spending more on the board than your cpu..
 
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henson0115 said:
thats not how people will compare them though, they will look at the same model name or maybe when 600 series was created they added the b650e variant later to add some features back lacking from stopping people from buying b650. either way to people who dont want to drill down they will compare on the name alone.

in any case the board pricing seems to be getting out of hand almost 500 quid for the non top tier board seems a bit much. you shouldnt be spending more on the board than your cpu..
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Of course its all marketing to trick the average consumer into paying more for a refreshed B650E platform, the price difference between the Strix B650E-F vs the X870-F is a perfect example of this.
 
henson0115 said:
in any case the board pricing seems to be getting out of hand almost 500 quid for the non top tier board seems a bit much. you shouldnt be spending more on the board than your cpu..
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Im not though there is only 200 quid in it. Im waiting for the Strix X870-I to be in stock, 400 quid is a lot for what is essentially a B650E board, but ITX boards are always a rip off. Prices only ever go up, but I think the manufacturers are out of order for charging the same money for a downgrade in capability in X870 vs X670.
 
the other manufacturers are trying it on as well but not to the extent of ASUS, hopefully someone like HW unboxed will pick up on and call out the worst offending board makers as it’s blatantly anti consumer.
 
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