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Anyone else wanting to upgrade but just can't stomach paying so much for it?

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
For one thing AMD really needs to do something about their reference coolers.



Or better still if they can't do so,stop releasing reference cooler designs for consumer cards.
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That's what needs to happen, Look at the Grenada chips, In reality they actually ran hotter than Hawaii but because there was no reference coolers they were a lot better received.
 
Klo said:
Or people stop paying high prices. But nobody has any willpower.
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The RX480 is a weird one - its obvious AMD had some issues since it probably missed voltage targets,yet they overengineered the VRM section,whilst underengineering the cooler and then only using a six pin power connector which apparently was overengineered to be able to draw more power. Then they missed the fact cards were drawing more power from the PCI-E slot.

Then you have the GTX1060 FE,which used a basic PCB,a VRM more appropriate for the card,a blasted wire to connect the PCI-E power connector to the PCB,but a cooler which actually had some leeway.

So again AMD,spent effort and money on one area,but they needed to probably spend more on the cooler,and not overengineer the VRM as much too,especially since the card obviously in its reference form was not going to need it.
 
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Nvidia PR exploit it? They don't need too.

Yeah tell people not to pay high prices, that will work.

It's not about willpower, people have more important things to be worried about - things that actually matter. Not do I get a card that gives me 70fps or a card that gives me 90.

The people I know set a budget and aim to get the best available they can.

Some set £250 and buy the best of the previous generation, others drop a grand yearly to have the latest as soon as it becomes available, the end user experience isn't actually that much different tbh but who cares, they can do whatever they want with their cash.
 
SiDeards73 said:
End of the day something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it, if AMD and Nvidia price their cards high and people buy them, then thats what they will continue to do, infact any manufacturer will do the same.

Unfortunately no one will ever drive the prices down, you can vote with your wallet and not buy them, someone else will, and that will justify the price to the vendor.

Best thing is to either suck it up and pay the money, or dont pay the money and buy 2nd hand or a cheaper alternative. No amount of fourm whining, or whining in general is going to change things, ever... if people buy a product at xx price it will sell at xx price, next iteration of product will increase by xx for all sorts of reasons, people will still pay for it.
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Nobody is 'whining' we are having a discussion. Grow up
 
NVIDIA Pascal Lineup Boosts Green Team’s Graphics Market Share in Q3 2016 – PC Graphics Shipment Increase by 39.3%

On the NVIDIA side, discrete GPU shipments were up by 39.8% from last quarter which is a big increase that would lead them to gain discrete graphics market share over their competitors. The launch of several Pascal cards that range from the entry level $109 GTX 1050 up to the enthusiast-level GTX Titan X ($1299 US) offers consumers a wide range of selection.
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http://wccftech.com/nvidia-amd-intel-gpu-market-share-q3-2016/
 
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looks like every sector got a kicking with mainstream being the least drop?

and no worse than same quarter the year before.

looks typical annual seasonal changes. The interesting chart will be the one with q3 2016 when the pascal range launched.
 
Greebo said:
looks like every sector got a kicking with mainstream being the least drop?

and no worse than same quarter the year before.

looks typical annual seasonal changes. The interesting chart will be the one with q3 2016 when the pascal range launched.
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Q3 was an explosion, the most sucessful product launch of all time for NVIDIA on Pascal series, should set a new high on that chart. ;)

RX 480 was also a huge success, OcUK alone has shipped several thousand RX 480. :)
 
actually reading that, although its a massive hike in q3 like it normally is, the number of sales is down 5.37% on the same quarter the previous year when 980/980ti was out?
 
Greebo said:
actually reading that, although its a massive hike in q3 like it normally is, the number of sales is down 5.37% on the same quarter the previous year when 980/980ti was out?
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yes. the 970 and 980 were more popular.

also this quarter is always a great sector as most people have money now and its coming upto christmas so we treat ourselves and the big games that drive sales also land.

the next few sectors will be the real tell tale sales.

prices will come down.we will see a £299 pound 1070 gtx within 3 months.
 
Greebo said:
actually reading that, although its a massive hike in q3 like it normally is, the number of sales is down 5.37% on the same quarter the previous year when 980/980ti was out?
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Nope.

20% up this Q3 compared to Q3 last year. Just comparing one quarter.

5.7% is how much sales are down compared for a year-to-year comparison. Which would be as per expectation as sales of Maxwell had slowed down heavily a few months prior to Pascal launch, so even though on a quarter snapshot sales are up, spread across the year there is still catching up to do, but I suspect the result will be very strong as NVIDIA have only just launched their entry price 1050 series which will be selling in 100,000's per month, particular into system integrators who go wild for such cards.

That is how I am reading it anyway, though these reports always tend to be worded rather uniquely.
 
Im reading at 20% up on quarter two which looking at that other chart would mean that q3 sales in 2016 are less than q3 in 2015.

So pascal may well have appeared to you as been great but not as good as the previous generations launch (although at ocuk that might not be the case)
 
Greebo said:
Im reading at 20% up on quarter two which looking at that other chart would mean that q3 sales in 2016 are less than q3 in 2015.

So pascal may well have appeared to you as been great but not as good as the previous generations launch (although at ocuk that might not be the case)
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All these figures are world wide and not specific to the UK too. It would be interesting to see UK only figures and comparison of the sales of the 9 series compared to the 10 series in the same time period.

I can imagine, on a global scale that the 10 series sales for Nvidia and the RX400 for AMD were good when taken overall, as the price difference to the previous generation in dollars was not that dissimilar to the 9 series/300 series. So there hasn't been an increase in prices everywhere else in the world compared to the UK

It's only in the UK that we have had such an increase between generations this time due to our crap sterling rates
 
Yeah totally. I even have the money for a 1080 but the price means no, price/performance-wise. Might be for the best actually with the DX12 concerns. I can wait.
 
I only upgrade when £400 gets me double the performance and currently nothing at £400 is double the performance of my overclocked 980.
 
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