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Anyone else wanting to upgrade but just can't stomach paying so much for it?

I paid £350 for my GTX 1070 near launch, and tbh with it's performance, how quiet it is etc. I think it was well worth it. I never hear the fans. It runs all my games really well @ 1440P. Yeah £350 is a fair deal imho. However some of the cards are priced crazily Just take a good look at what deals are available when you buy.
 
Just upgraded from a 670 to a 1080 the other day, plan on keeping it for quite some time so well worth the cash in my eyes. I will admit that I kept pushing it aside though, but I purchased a 3440 x 1440 monitor and wanted to get the most from it.
 
There was a point when £300.00 was the max I would spend on a GPU.

Then I bought a 780 Lightning for £500.00 in 2013, and then a 980TI for £600.00 in 2015 (both justifiable purchases at the time)

But this time around, I thought I would stay slightly behind the performance curve a bit. So I purchased a 1070 (a side grade over a 980Ti) but I wanted to be on the next generation.

But now, I will just wait for the 1080Ti performance at 1170 money.


Well that's the idea anyway, lets see if I can keep to it.....lol
 
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Had my 290 Tri-X and my Haswell i7 4770k a few years now, had £2k sat in my PC building account for a good while, was waiting on Fiji to upgrade my GPU but that was fail so waited on Polaris and that was fail so now im waiting on Vega and i guess Zen as well.

If big Vega warrants the money i will buy it, or possibly 2 of the smaller vega cards depending again on price and performance, and also Zen if i can get equal 4770k performance but more cores, im building the kids a PC so will just give them my old bits.

I will buy a top end card if i believe it warrants the price, i paid £260 for a 6950 in 2011, £240 for a 7870 in 2012, £300 for a 290 Ref in 2013, £300 for a 290 Tri-x in 2014

Id happily pay £350 for 1070 performance card from AMD right now and probably pay close to the price of a 1080 card for an AMD card with the same level of performance.

AMD cards age well so you get more mileage out of them, thats one of the reasons i dont buy Nvidia cards.

My point is cards are gradually increasing in price but performance increases are generally more than worth it.
 
I'm close to moving up from 780sli to a 1080 but am holding off to see if prices move a little first. There wont be much of a performance increase but I want a single card solution and an increase in vram.
 
Had my 290 Tri-X and my Haswell i7 4770k a few years now, had £2k sat in my PC building account for a good while, was waiting on Fiji to upgrade my GPU but that was fail so waited on Polaris and that was fail so now im waiting on Vega and i guess Zen as well.

If big Vega warrants the money i will buy it, or possibly 2 of the smaller vega cards depending again on price and performance, and also Zen if i can get equal 4770k performance but more cores, im building the kids a PC so will just give them my old bits.

I will buy a top end card if i believe it warrants the price, i paid £260 for a 6950 in 2011, £240 for a 7870 in 2012, £300 for a 290 Ref in 2013, £300 for a 290 Tri-x in 2014

Id happily pay £350 for 1070 performance card from AMD right now and probably pay close to the price of a 1080 card for an AMD card with the same level of performance.

AMD cards age well so you get more mileage out of them, thats one of the reasons i dont buy Nvidia cards.

My point is cards are gradually increasing in price but performance increases are generally more than worth it.

It depends on how you frame it. AMD not releasing Vega yet,after six months of the GTX1070/GTX1080 is starting to take the mickey. They seemed to be more worried about technical solutions like HBM2 than getting the cards out sooner.

The price escalation is scary if you follow it over the last six years. On the Nvidia side the Pascal Titan X uses a 471MM2 chip but a second tier salvage,ie, not the full chip for $1200.

Now the equivalent during the GTX500 series days was the GTX570 which used a 529MM2 chip,ie,a second tier salvage chip and it cost $330.

So,that is over a 3.5X increase in price over six years.

I hate to think the price a fully enabled GP102 based card would cost!! :eek:

Now look at AMD. The HD5870 cost $400 and the Fury X cost $650 or a 60% increase. Now the Fuji chip is nearly double the size of the one in the HD5870,but you can see how the top cards of each company have crept up in price.

Not even Apple products have gone up as much in many cases!!
 
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The price escalation is scary if you follow it over the last six years. On the Nvidia side the Pascal Titan X uses a 471MM2 chip but a second tier salvage,ie, not the full chip for $1200.

Now the equivalent during the GTX500 series days was the GTX570 which used a 529MM2 chip,ie,a second tier salvage chip and it cost $330.

So,that is over a 3.5X increase in price over six years.

I hate to think the price a fully enabled GP102 based card would cost!! :eek:

It a well established fact that the costs of the die itself is but a very small part of the overall cost of the gpu. Moving to ever smaller processes has meant lots of new problems... E.g dealing with the increases in heat density produced and yield issues.

Why do i feel i need to repeat this almost every time i come on the gpu forum.... The only meaningful test of a gpu's 'worth' is its performance end of. You can't play die size or memory bus width and frankly comparing a 40nm gpu to a 16nm one based on their respective die sizes is silly.

It's not like NVidia are alone in struggling to maintain process shrinkages whilst upping performance generation to generation like years gone by.

The pascal titan, 1080 and 1070 are unmatched in overall performance by anything else on the market made by anyone else. A large die 8800gtx ultra in 2016 money converted to 2016 £ from $'s would cost £767 + these prices are nothing new.

Talk of prices rising by 3.5x is risible nonsensce by any meaningful metric
 
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I don't get the moaning for the 1070/80 prices, as they are cheaper/around the same price as the Ti was when it was released, have 2GB more memory than it, and are around the same performance/faster than it.

Nor me.

I paid about £150 less than I would have done for similar performance just a few months earlier. Slightly lower electricity bills and a cooler/quieter PC too.
 

Not matched by the increases in revenues,profit margins,profits or free cash accumulation to the extent of well over $2 to $3 billion extra over the last six years(plus the Intel settlement on top). Nvidia has made enough extra cash over the last six years,they could probably buy AMD outright if they wanted to.

The die followed by the memory are the two most expensive parts of a graphics card. So many items also require the same silicon manufactering from TSMC,Samsung and Intel and move to newer process nodes,and the R and D costs and any other costs don't seem to outweigh the move,so nope I do not agree with you at all.

Unfortunately for you,other companies like Apple and Microsoft also use these nodes and yet don't show the same increases in costs,and so do every other company which makes anything else which requires transistors.

Only hardware enthusiasts on forums,seem to think 3.64X increases in going from one 500MM2 chip to another one is normal. Intel for example charges 73% more going from a fully enabled 32NM 240MM2 chip(Core i7 980X)to a 14NM one around the same size(Core i7 6950X) and that is over 6.5 years and issues with 14NM. Increased node costs and a shrinking market are cost multipliers but not to the extent we are starting to see prices go up at such a high rate.

Intel has not shown anywhere as much of an increase despite having much higher overhead in building fabs than many companies,and having at times needed to idle capacity,or shut down existing ones.

I have these discussions with people before who put their heads in the sand for years,when I predicted how things would go with Titan onwards or even to a degree the HD7970. Enthusiasts need to realise we are a cash cow for other areas. Intel used us to try and fund mobile,and Nvidia is using us to fund forays into mobile,cars,etc.

AMD is mainly held back by its CPU baggage which is crippling the company and taking up the Lion's share of resources since if Zen does not succeed,they are finished. This is why CPU and GPU revenue has been hidden as one metric to hide how dire things have got on the CPU especially,and since most R and D is now being diverted to Zen,it is probably one of the reasons why AMD has not even released Vega in any form yet. Yet,in most cases when it had the best cards and CPUs,it did the same(apart from the HD5000 series) and charged decent money. Any increased margins from CPUs and GPUs in the enthusiast space will be used to fund other forays.

AMD will quite happily do what Nvidia is doing if they have a better range of products.

You are another PCMR hardware enthusiast who really has not been following things for the last decade or so,and is in denial. The price increases have easily gone past any cost increases or a shrinking market.

I called it yonks ago,when people like you just argued with me. Its happened as I expected.

You and I are cash cows,deal with it. Nvidia or AMD are not our friends.

Sorry,to say this to you,I am not going to agree with you so don't waste your breath. I see where this will go and we will need to agree to disagree.
 
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To reinforce my point just imagine if NVidia could release the pascal titan at a 570 price point.... It wouldn't take long for AMD to go bust at that rate because the have nothing to compete with a gpu two rungs down currently (1070) which presumably should be selling for around $150 - $200 according to Cat's die size metric based apparently on a 570 being the 'comparable' product generation to generation to a pascal titan!

So that makes the 1070 'comparable' to a 550ti with a $150 launch price right?

Believe me all this talk of AMD 'choosing' not to compete at the top with NVidia is rubbish if they could launched a competetive product by now not at a loss they would have. The reality is that they have not been able to and we will have to wait till vega comes out to see how much ground they can make up
 
The die followed by the memory are the two most expensive parts of a graphics card.

No they clearly are not!

Am I really going to have go do a long post to show this for the nonsensce it is?

Manufacturing costs are but a small part of the total cost of a brand new gpu. The cost of the memory and die in manufacturing costs are not the most expensive components of a gpu price... Not even close.

I have shown how ridiculous you claims are... By your metrics a 1070 is comparable generation on generation with a 550ti! Where does this leave AMD's effort's?
 
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As above, Every other day I have a look at the 1070's and 1080's humming and hawing about it but in the end the asking price is just way to much for something i'll want to get rid of in about a years time.

Can't justify the money...

..just to play tenth-rate console ports.

PC Gaming. R.I.P.
 
Id like to see a current console try and run Doom at 3400x1440 in as much detail as I run it..... Oh no wait contemporary consoles' can't even run 1080p at anywhere near a solid 60fps... A few ****ty console ports does not the end of pc gaming make.....
 
Id like to see a current console try and run Doom at 3400x1440 in as much detail as I run it..... Oh no wait contemporary consoles' can't even run 1080p at anywhere near a solid 60fps... A few ****ty console ports does not the end of pc gaming make.....

Console "ports", not "consoles". Please, at least stop to read next time before waving your ePeen.

Doom (yawn) at 1080p is doable @60fps on literally any el-cheapo card.

Still, remind me - where were all the developer demos of this game before launch. Oh yes, consoles. In other words, Doom doesn't require the idiotic spend you have made. And the devs targeted consoles, even for the one ePeen game that you tried as justification.

Still, I guess the game must play completely differently with those extra pixels you have... Oh, wait...
 
You claimed pc gaming was 'dead' I demonstrated one clear example of a (high spec) pc showing consoles' to be the inferior pieces of hardware they are. I proved my point... what was yours again?
 
You claimed pc gaming was 'dead' I demonstrated one clear example of a (high spec) pc showing consoles' to be the inferior pieces of hardware they are. I proved my point... what was yours again?

That you completely missed the point. And decided waving your ePeen was more important. All praise your "high spec". :D
 
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