Anyone else wanting to upgrade but just can't stomach paying so much for it?

[nomadd]

Your on the wrong forum mate...the one for console peasants owners is over there -------->

Ah, now you are editing some of your idiocy out. Good man.

If you could just return the post prior to that one and remove the Standard Internet Idiot reply of "I PROVED MY POINT! WHAT WAS YOURS!" you'll be doing great. Keep up the good work.

 

[Caracus2k]

Ah, now you are editing some of your idiocy out. Good man.

If you could just return the post prior to that one and remove the Standard Internet Idiot reply of "I PROVED MY POINT! WHAT WAS YOURS!" you'll be doing great. Keep up the good work.

You still here? What exactly was your point? PC gaming isn't dead and or dying it growing...

http://www.pcgamer.com/pc-shipments...utive-quarter-but-gaming-pcs-are-on-the-rise/

I don't troll console forums or post nonsence on them how about you return the favour?

 

[SiDeards73]

Calling people console peasants makes you look like an ignorant moron. I have a half decent PC and an Xbox One, I play on both, different games depending on platform. I don't feel the need to call people out for playing on a console and having decent hardware in a PC definitely held no sway over my wife marrying me.

I just don't get this attitude that many PC owners have that spending thousands of pounds on a PC that they play games on makes them superior to someone else? I mean seriously stop and think about it for a second? How dumb does it sound ?

Do these people side up to birds in clubs and whisper "yeah I have an Octa core with a full custom loop and SLI Titan Pascal.... Fancy coming back and seeing it?" Cos seriously the calling of console players peasants leaves that type of impression with me that you are probably that type of socially inept person that feels they need to spout such trash to givem themselves some form of self esteem.

Yes this is a GPU forum and yes the console forum is another direction but come on, resorting to throwing out the old "console peasants" insult is just well... Pathetic..

 

[easyrider]

As above, Every other day I have a look at the 1070's and 1080's humming and hawing about it but in the end the asking price is just way to much for something i'll want to get rid of in about a years time.

Sell your 970 for 120 and get a 1070

Upgrade cost £ 260

It's not rocket science

 

[r7slayer]

I don't get some people's logic. Because a 1070 can match a 980Ti or 1080 is faster it makes the price okay? So when the 1080Ti comes out at around £899 then eventually when the 1180 comes out because that is faster than the 1080Ti a price of over £800 will be okay because its faster? This kind of logic means every gen prices will increase as performance increases but its okay because performance is faster...

I want a 1080Ti but depends on what prices will be if it is up there around £800 im not touching it and probably will wait till volta or see what Vega brings. Prices still stupid ill wait and drop from enthusiast cards to high end. Until prices become more sensible.

 

[Final8y]

Not matched by the increases in revenues,profit margins,profits or free cash accumulation to the extent of well over $2 to $3 billion extra over the last six years(plus the Intel settlement on top). Nvidia has made enough extra cash over the last six years,they could probably buy AMD outright if they wanted to.

The die followed by the memory are the two most expensive parts of a graphics card. So many items also require the same silicon manufactering from TSMC,Samsung and Intel and move to newer process nodes,and the R and D costs and any other costs don't seem to outweigh the move,so nope I do not agree with you at all.

Unfortunately for you,other companies like Apple and Microsoft also use these nodes and yet don't show the same increases in costs,and so do every other company which makes anything else which requires transistors.

Only hardware enthusiasts on forums,seem to think 3.64X increases in going from one 500MM2 chip to another one is normal. Intel for example charges 73% more going from a fully enabled 32NM 240MM2 chip(Core i7 980X)to a 14NM one around the same size(Core i7 6950X) and that is over 6.5 years and issues with 14NM. Increased node costs and a shrinking market are cost multipliers but not to the extent we are starting to see prices go up at such a high rate.

Intel has not shown anywhere as much of an increase despite having much higher overhead in building fabs than many companies,and having at times needed to idle capacity,or shut down existing ones.

I have these discussions with people before who put their heads in the sand for years,when I predicted how things would go with Titan onwards or even to a degree the HD7970. Enthusiasts need to realise we are a cash cow for other areas. Intel used us to try and fund mobile,and Nvidia is using us to fund forays into mobile,cars,etc.

AMD is mainly held back by its CPU baggage which is crippling the company and taking up the Lion's share of resources since if Zen does not succeed,they are finished. This is why CPU and GPU revenue has been hidden as one metric to hide how dire things have got on the CPU especially,and since most R and D is now being diverted to Zen,it is probably one of the reasons why AMD has not even released Vega in any form yet. Yet,in most cases when it had the best cards and CPUs,it did the same(apart from the HD5000 series) and charged decent money. Any increased margins from CPUs and GPUs in the enthusiast space will be used to fund other forays.

AMD will quite happily do what Nvidia is doing if they have a better range of products.

You are another PCMR hardware enthusiast who really has not been following things for the last decade or so,and is in denial. The price increases have easily gone past any cost increases or a shrinking market.

I called it yonks ago,when people like you just argued with me. Its happened as I expected.

You and I are cash cows,deal with it. Nvidia or AMD are not our friends.

Sorry,to say this to you,I am not going to agree with you so don't waste your breath. I see where this will go and we will need to agree to disagree.

+1

 

[r7slayer]

Not matched by the increases in revenues,profit margins,profits or free cash accumulation to the extent of well over $2 to $3 billion extra over the last six years(plus the Intel settlement on top). Nvidia has made enough extra cash over the last six years,they could probably buy AMD outright if they wanted to.

The die followed by the memory are the two most expensive parts of a graphics card. So many items also require the same silicon manufactering from TSMC,Samsung and Intel and move to newer process nodes,and the R and D costs and any other costs don't seem to outweigh the move,so nope I do not agree with you at all.

Unfortunately for you,other companies like Apple and Microsoft also use these nodes and yet don't show the same increases in costs,and so do every other company which makes anything else which requires transistors.

Only hardware enthusiasts on forums,seem to think 3.64X increases in going from one 500MM2 chip to another one is normal. Intel for example charges 73% more going from a fully enabled 32NM 240MM2 chip(Core i7 980X)to a 14NM one around the same size(Core i7 6950X) and that is over 6.5 years and issues with 14NM. Increased node costs and a shrinking market are cost multipliers but not to the extent we are starting to see prices go up at such a high rate.

Intel has not shown anywhere as much of an increase despite having much higher overhead in building fabs than many companies,and having at times needed to idle capacity,or shut down existing ones.

I have these discussions with people before who put their heads in the sand for years,when I predicted how things would go with Titan onwards or even to a degree the HD7970. Enthusiasts need to realise we are a cash cow for other areas. Intel used us to try and fund mobile,and Nvidia is using us to fund forays into mobile,cars,etc.

AMD is mainly held back by its CPU baggage which is crippling the company and taking up the Lion's share of resources since if Zen does not succeed,they are finished. This is why CPU and GPU revenue has been hidden as one metric to hide how dire things have got on the CPU especially,and since most R and D is now being diverted to Zen,it is probably one of the reasons why AMD has not even released Vega in any form yet. Yet,in most cases when it had the best cards and CPUs,it did the same(apart from the HD5000 series) and charged decent money. Any increased margins from CPUs and GPUs in the enthusiast space will be used to fund other forays.

AMD will quite happily do what Nvidia is doing if they have a better range of products.

You are another PCMR hardware enthusiast who really has not been following things for the last decade or so,and is in denial. The price increases have easily gone past any cost increases or a shrinking market.

I called it yonks ago,when people like you just argued with me. Its happened as I expected.

You and I are cash cows,deal with it. Nvidia or AMD are not our friends.

Sorry,to say this to you,I am not going to agree with you so don't waste your breath. I see where this will go and we will need to agree to disagree.

i agree with this totally, did not see this post until it was quoted all though AMD have recently split from being just the one company now haven't they? They split GPU off to become Radeon (Rad ee on) again. So if CPU side of things does go under i guess they can focus efforts on GPU side of thing but i don't even see this happening as their SoC are quite good anyway. They make quite abit of money from the server side of things too. It just appears consumer grade CPUs are just not as good as Intel's.

But prices have been increasing well over what they should be.

 

[Caracus2k]

Calling people console peasants makes you look like an ignorant moron. I have a half decent PC and an Xbox One, I play on both, different games depending on platform. I don't feel the need to call people out for playing on a console and having decent hardware in a PC definitely held no sway over my wife marrying me.

I just don't get this attitude that many PC owners have that spending thousands of pounds on a PC that they play games on makes them superior to someone else? I mean seriously stop and think about it for a second? How dumb does it sound ?

Do these people side up to birds in clubs and whisper "yeah I have an Octa core with a full custom loop and SLI Titan Pascal.... Fancy coming back and seeing it?" Cos seriously the calling of console players peasants leaves that type of impression with me that you are probably that type of socially inept person that feels they need to spout such trash to givem themselves some form of self esteem.

Yes this is a GPU forum and yes the console forum is another direction but come on, resorting to throwing out the old "console peasants" insult is just well... Pathetic..

Well he started with the ad hominem attacks 'e-peen' because i called him on his incorrect post - 'pc gaming rip'. I also have an x box one, a PlayStation and a Nintendo Wii they all have their uses/ place. I showed how he was wrong he choose to get personal he received an appropriate reply end of.

The reason people spend thousands on pc's over consoles is that they are superior when it comes to performance this is not in debate. It always a chuckle to see people proclaiming the arrival of '4k' gaming consoles when the hardware to run at that resolution in a console format would be prohibitively expensive and at the edges of what is technically possible nevermind financially viable.

And can I just remind you that this is a computer enthusiast forum NOT a nightclub so guess what the conversation here might difer somewhat... If you cant understand that you should do some internal reflection on your comments about social ineptness.....

 

[Diagro]

Im still waiting for AMD to release a card i can sell my 2x 290x for....

When that happens i will upgrade... then again i havent played any games in months

 

[DarrenM343]

I don't get some people's logic. Because a 1070 can match a 980Ti or 1080 is faster it makes the price okay? So when the 1080Ti comes out at around £899 then eventually when the 1180 comes out because that is faster than the 1080Ti a price of over £800 will be okay because its faster? This kind of logic means every gen prices will increase as performance increases but its okay because performance is faster...

I want a 1080Ti but depends on what prices will be if it is up there around £800 im not touching it and probably will wait till volta or see what Vega brings. Prices still stupid ill wait and drop from enthusiast cards to high end. Until prices become more sensible.

Given Nvdia's recent results I would say many think the price is okay!
Prices also increase because with time everything becomes more expensive lets not forget. THink someone pointed out that a 8800 or whatever would have been £750 or so recently, in today's money.

 

[Greebo]

Unfortunately even if Graphics Card manufacturers drop the RRP of future products, the xchange rate will probably mean they will just cost more and more.

And with goods in the UK starting to to rise by 10%, people will have less disposable income anyway.

I suspect the sales of "luxury" "hobby" items like high end gpus will fall off a cliff over the next year.

Just look at DJI new drone. It has gone up £100 in the few weeks since launch so unless you pre ordered it, its now a £100 more expensive hobby.

Ive seen it in photography with the new Olympus Em1 mark II body. At older exchange rates when the last model was released it would have been only £1500. Now its £1850 and its making a lot of people put it past affordable or justfiable

 

[Greebo]

Im still waiting for AMD to release a card i can sell my 2x 290x for....

When that happens i will upgrade... then again i havent played any games in months

I never looked back from swapping mine to a titan. A 1080 would have been just as dramatic.

Fed up of xfire not working or continual flickering issues in desktop. The ;ast driver I installed which gave great boosts in games made the cards unusable for desktop so I gave up.

 

[Jock7]

Hi All,
I am retired and upgrade my computer on a regular basis. At the beginning of the year and late last year I decided to upgrade which would last me at least 2 to 3 years and I am glad I did. When I see Graphic Cards up £300 and Monitors up £400 or more since I bought them it sickens me and will not be purchasing anything in the near future or until the prices come down. I am happy with what I have got and it will remain that way. I have worked all my life and computing is one of my main hobbies.

 

[hardkore]

I won't pay the current prices for CPU or GPUs until there's either a massive boost in performance or the price drops. Simples.

Id love to upgrade, I'm earning more than I ever have in my new job (circa £700 a week) but I still can't justify £600+ on a single component that will lose performance over time.

 

[ArmitageShanks]

Life's too short to run games on crippled settings. I want them to look as good as possible on my ultrawide screen. If I'd bought something less than a 1080, I'd always be wondering what I'd be missing. I don't usually go back to a game when I'm done with it to see if the eye candy improved.

 

[Silent_Scone]

I recently downgraded. I don't do any rendering or my reporting at home anymore so I simply couldn't justify having the 6950x. Sold it and took the money, bought a 5820K and run it along side my Pascal Titan X waiting for next gen. All depends on your workload and if you can justify it yourself. I only use it for gaming really now.

 

[nashathedog]

AMD not releasing Vega yet,after six months of the GTX1070/GTX1080 is starting to take the mickey.

When I bought my Fury pro it was the second fastest AMD card, 13 months later it's still the second fastest AMD card so at least when you buy a new high end AMD card on release it remains there for a decent length of time letting you feel like you got your money's worth.

I knew there was a silver lining in there somewhere

 

[Caracus2k]

I won't pay the current prices for CPU or GPUs until there's either a massive boost in performance or the price drops. Simples.

Id love to upgrade, I'm earning more than I ever have in my new job (circa £700 a week) but I still can't justify £600+ on a single component that will lose performance over time.

You be waiting a while I suspect for a cpu that fits your criteria... per core frequency increases have been largely stalled for years now... Ever since a Pentium 4 hit 3.8Ghz on a single core in 2005. So were stuck with small incremental ipc increases as adding more cores shows diminishing returns.

Fortunately graphics cards are highly parallel by nature and as such still show big increases generation on generation. A 1070 for £350 can compete with a Maxwell titan x from the previous generation that started with a £900 or so price point... That's a pretty impressive price / performance increase generation to generation

 

[Terrorfirmer]

I often see people saying 'The GTX1070 has 980Ti and beyond performance for a lower price than when it launched, what's not to like'?

It originally had an RRP of $349, all reviews looked at it from that price point....when it first arrived here it was €480 (over $520)!

The GTX1070 is meant to be a GTX970 class replacement, the same way it in turn was a GTX770 replacement, which succeeded the GTX670, etc.

The 1080Ti will be the 980Ti replacement....that the GTX1070 cost the same as the 980Ti when it came out was (and still is) ridiculous.

When the GTX970 came out it was almost 780Ti performance for half the cost. The GTX1070 was supposed to be a similar situation.

But instead we got shafted with radically jacked up prices, not helped by the fact that AMD has zero answer to either the GTX1070 or 1080. Least they had the 290 when the GTX970 was in play.

 

[hardkore]

I'm not biased towards any company but the fact nvidia dumps their previous gen cards like a ugly girl after a one nighter doesn't fill me with hope of a good 2-3 years of ownership. AMD are doing jack all so I might have to go the 1070 route.

However my trusty old 290 still managed most things well at 1080p so I can hang on to AMD shows its hand.

I'm more torn on the CPU front. Ideally I'd like 6 core purely for a bit of future proofing and I also dabble in photo editing from time to time. I just know that if I jump on X99 it'll be replaced soon enough.

I suppose I was lucky with the amount of time my 2500k has lasted...