Anyone else wanting to upgrade but just can't stomach paying so much for it?

David Bisset · 12 Nov 2016 at 11:14

Rate of improvement in the mid-budget range (or I guess that's low budget now - sub £200) has been a bit disappointing. I'll upgrade next year probably along with getting a new platform but just because I like shiny stuff.

As for the defenders of NVIDIAs pricing... they're a publicly traded company that file accounts so costs on different areas are not being made up and they're basically enjoying making huge margins on their GPUs because that's what the market will bear. It's their job to make money so I don't blame them, but also don't be fooled into thinking they're not making a bucket-load.

~>Dg<~ · 12 Nov 2016 at 11:15

1070s are comical in price.nearly 150 on top of what they should be.

actually was gunna buy one other day for another system then over night jumped another nearly 40 quid.

even though the dollar was weaker.

so no money stays in my pocket.until sense resumes.

january soon also

bf1 is the only game out anyway and thats more cpu power than gpu.even older 9 series stomp it and 290s.so why do we need to pay over the top for games that dont need it.

Smoogels · 12 Nov 2016 at 11:20

Can't go wrong with used cards if you don't mind being a little behind especially as some manufacturers offer transferable warranty.

Granted it's not a 1070, but I bought my used 290X two years ago for £180. If I sold it today, it would sell for around £120. Not that much of a loss when you compare it to new prices. The 290X and 970 still do a wonderful job at 1080p and has a good go at 1440p, if you reduce a few intensive settings.

980Ti's are not hugely behind a 1070 and occasionally you can get decent deals on them, though the pricing on this model is a little high used atm. AMD Furys also sometimes go for decent prices.

The thing I miss about new GPUs though is that new electronic smell...

Silent_Scone · 12 Nov 2016 at 11:29

hardkore said:
I'm not biased towards any company but the fact nvidia dumps their previous gen cards like a ugly girl after a one nighter doesn't fill me with hope of a good 2-3 years of ownership. AMD are doing jack all so I might have to go the 1070 route.

However my trusty old 290 still managed most things well at 1080p so I can hang on to AMD shows its hand.

I'm more torn on the CPU front. Ideally I'd like 6 core purely for a bit of future proofing and I also dabble in photo editing from time to time. I just know that if I jump on X99 it'll be replaced soon enough.

I suppose I was lucky with the amount of time my 2500k has lasted...

Must admit, if you've lasted this long - wait for X299. Or at least Kaby. I'm hearing awesome things about the latter...

peterhc · 12 Nov 2016 at 12:32

I cant moan as i got evga 1070 ftw for 250gbp ^.^ so all good

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 12 Nov 2016 at 12:42

peterhc said:
I cant moan as i got evga 1070 ftw for 250gbp ^.^ so all good

That means your card will probably not actually cost you anything if you decided to sell it in the next year or so!!

I still remember selling my HD5850 for more than what I paid for it orginally after using it for two years.

humbug · 12 Nov 2016 at 12:45

Reality|Bites said:
As above, Every other day I have a look at the 1070's and 1080's humming and hawing about it but in the end the asking price is just way to much for something i'll want to get rid of in about a years time.

I'm probably going to end up skipping this generation all together.

The choice is pay £100+ above what i paid for the 970 to get its replacement, the 1070.

Or for the same money take a step down in the range and get the same performance.

To me those are not choices at all.

melmac · 12 Nov 2016 at 12:45

Caracus2k said:
These sorts of prices are nothing new the 8800gtx ultra was $830+ on release

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2222

And inflation of 16.4% to get to 2016 prices....

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

And convert to sterling gives you around £[email protected] $/£

You keep bringing this card up and it's price. The 8800GTX ultra was the high end card of it's day. In this generation the Ultra would be a fully unlocked Titan Pascal. How much would that be? Considering the current pascal titan is £1099.

The 8800 GT would be the 1070 equivalent. It's price today would be £222. But the cheapest 1070 is £370.

Dervious · 12 Nov 2016 at 12:50

Supply, demand, AMD, exchange rate.

Those factors are what have the most influence on the price of a GTX1070.

easyrider · 12 Nov 2016 at 13:10

humbug said:
I'm probably going to end up skipping this generation all together.

The choice is pay £100+ above what i paid for the 970 to get its replacement, the 1070.

Or for the same money take a step down in the range and get the same performance.

To me those are not choices at all.

Thats 980ti performance for 100 quid...You need to stop thinking about the price of the 970 and the 1070 being its replacement.

humbug · 12 Nov 2016 at 13:36

easyrider said:
Thats 980ti performance for 100 quid...You need to stop thinking about the price of the 970 and the 1070 being its replacement.

True but i don't trust Nvidia to keep up full support with previous gen GPU's.

Certainly Maxwell is capable of what they call Asynchronous Compute just as Pascal is and yet its not enabled.

ljt · 12 Nov 2016 at 13:51

easyrider said:
Thats 980ti performance for 100 quid...You need to stop thinking about the price of the 970 and the 1070 being its replacement.

But the 1070 IS the 970 replacement no matter how you look it. It is the next iteration of the x70 product line. The performance against other cards of the previous generation is irrelavant. It is where it sits in its own generation that counts, and it sits in the same slot of this generation as the 970 did in the 9 series generation

Granted there are a combination of factors increasing the price such as a weaker £/$ and lack of any competition from AMD. If we had the same sort of £/$ ratio as when the 970 was released and some equivalent card from AMD, then the price would be a lot closer to what the 970 retailed at.

But those factors alone make it too expensive for the product line it exists in

LoadsaMoney · 12 Nov 2016 at 13:56

You've got to bloody laugh, 980Ti was around £550-£600 upon release, 1070, around the same performance as it, has 2GB more memory, but is only around £380, yet people are saying its too expensive, and needs to be about £100-£150 cheaper, just LOL.

easyrider · 12 Nov 2016 at 13:58

ljt said:
But the 1070 IS the 970 replacement no matter how you look it. It is the next iteration of the x70 product line. The performance against other cards of the previous generation is irrelavant. It is where it sits in its own generation that counts, and it sits in the same slot of this generation as the 970 did in the 9 series generation

Granted there are a combination of factors increasing the price such as a weaker £/$ and lack of any competition from AMD. If we had the same sort of £/$ ratio as when the 970 was released and some equivalent card from AMD, then the price would be a lot closer to what the 970 retailed at.

But those factors alone make it too expensive for the product line it exists in

The 970 was a gimped 3.5gb card

The 1070 is an 8GB card....

Of course the 970 was going to be cheap!

The 970 was 249 on release? Make the 8GB 1070 seem a bargain when they were selling for 349 just weeks ago...

easyrider · 12 Nov 2016 at 14:01

LoadsaMoney said:
You've got to bloody laugh, 980Ti was around £550-£600 upon release, 1070, around the same performance as it, has 2GB more memory, but is only around £380, yet people are saying its too expensive, and needs to be about £100-£150 cheaper, just LOL.

I agree ...Any card that can run Superwide 3440x1440p for 370 is a good deal...

Its the people still on 1080p who are butt hurt...These need to jump on a 1060 as the 1070 isnt really a 1080p card..

ljt · 12 Nov 2016 at 14:03

LoadsaMoney said:
You've got to bloody laugh, 980Ti was around £550-£600 upon release, 1070, around the same performance as it, has 2GB more memory, but is only around £380, yet people are saying its too expensive, and needs to be about £100-£150 cheaper, just LOL.

As per my post above. You can look at it that way if you want, but I certainly don't. I don't look at where the 1070 comes in performance wise based on the previous gen. I look where it stands in its own generation and that is the same spot the 970 held in the 9 series

I'll compare the 1080Ti to the 980Ti when it i released. The same way I compare the 1080 with the 980, the 1070 with the 970 and so on.

nashathedog · 12 Nov 2016 at 14:03

The 1070 is the best bang for buck so far this gen. As mentioned it may be more expensive than the 970 it replaced but it is giving a 2 level jump in performance which makes up for it. So yes it's not a great deal but it's not a bad one either.

Dervious · 12 Nov 2016 at 14:07

nashathedog said:
The 1070 is the best bang for buck so far this gen. As mentioned it may be more expensive than the 970 it replaced but it is giving a 2 level jump in performance which makes up for it. So yes it's not a great deal but it's not a bad one either.

The truth.

Nasher · 12 Nov 2016 at 14:09

Naa, I'd say the rx480 is the best bang for buck this generation so far. Especially when it comes to DX12 and it's getting slightly better with each driver release.

tommybhoy · 12 Nov 2016 at 14:11

ljt said:
But the 1070 IS the 970 replacement no matter how you look it. It is the next iteration of the x70 product line. The performance against other cards of the previous generation is irrelavant. It is where it sits in its own generation that counts, and it sits in the same slot of this generation as the 970 did in the 9 series generation

Granted there are a combination of factors increasing the price such as a weaker £/$ and lack of any competition from AMD. If we had the same sort of £/$ ratio as when the 970 was released and some equivalent card from AMD, then the price would be a lot closer to what the 970 retailed at.

Spot on.

ljt said:
But those factors alone make it too expensive for the product line it exists in

Gregster said:
I work hard, so why not treat yourself if you have the money and you work hard also? Life is short etc.

humbug said:
The choice is pay £100+ above what i paid for the 970 to get its replacement, the 1070.

It's a while back now, but I can remember the last time AMD were in Nvidia's shoes, AMD employed the Nvidia performing badly tax to the 79 series.

That extra £100+ is the AMD performing badly tax.

LoadsaMoney said:
You've got to bloody laugh, 980Ti was around £550-£600 upon release, 1070, around the same performance as it, has 2GB more memory, but is only around £380, yet people are saying its too expensive, and needs to be about £100-£150 cheaper, just LOL.

Volta 70 will be $1000???

You got loadsamoney?