The Virgin Killers album cover was censored on wikipedia.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/07/brit_isps_censor_wikipedia/
anyone going to next weeks protests?
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The Virgin Killers album cover was censored on wikipedia.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/07/brit_isps_censor_wikipedia/
A vocal minority being pandered to is the opposite of democracy, which is why a few thousand people protesting should be ignored, especially if they cannot say what they want, how to implement it or how it will be better than what they are protesting against.
Associate
That's an interesting comment to make. I wonder if it will still be justified after the summit?
No but it was, demonstrating that the Tetragrammaton (IWF) censor stuff that they don't like, despite legality.
Only because the IWF are incompetant and managed to block large parts of wikipedia full stop with their heavy handed tactics, leading to a backlash.
Caporegime
Nope. Even then, it entirely depended on which isp you used whether it'd be blocked.
Associate
Excuse me if this is a bit rude, but; what?!
How on earth can you say our rights are being eroded away when every month there is a new case in the news about how Judges are being criticised by Politicians for overprotecting individual rights and overlooking National Security. Example: Abu Qatada, the guy that was blocked from being deported to his home country, as there was fear he would get tortured, and then was released, and then given compensation.
Now if that isn't obiding by people's rights then I don't know what is. Human Rights Act 1999, and the European Convention of Human Rights, practically mean we have unlimited freedom, within reason. The only reason your rights will be eroded away if you've committed a crime?
Your opinions seem rather strange, some evidence would be appreciated
Your opinions seem rather strange, some evidence would be appreciated
In addition to the evidence everyone else has given, there is also the RIPA act which removes your right to silence, thus to a fair trial.
Associate
Fixed - the original sounded like a quote from the editorial of The Daily Mail Kampf.
You always seem to have a fixation with the current government - you do actually realise that our rights were being eroded well before the current government as well?
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Caporegime
The whole iwf thing is weird. They are a non-governmental organisation who decide which sites contain child porn, even though if they saw sites that were child porn, they'd be breaking the law as even viewing it is illegal. Some isps then choose to block the sites on the iwf list even though they're not at all obliged to, and even though there is no authority inherent in that list.
So we've got an unofficial list that is evidence of illegal activity if accurate, which is only partly adhered to, which makes sense as no one is forced to use it and it's a matter of choice. Then it's so poorly implemented that they break wikipedia and back down when everyone complains, so the original image is now fully available again.
If this is some kind of government plot to restrict our internet access, it is hilariously inept.
So we've got an unofficial list that is evidence of illegal activity if accurate, which is only partly adhered to, which makes sense as no one is forced to use it and it's a matter of choice. Then it's so poorly implemented that they break wikipedia and back down when everyone complains, so the original image is now fully available again.
If this is some kind of government plot to restrict our internet access, it is hilariously inept.
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In my experience the violence is mostly hype. I was in Rostock in 2007 during the G8 'riots'. I was on the ground and the media coverage just didn't correlate with my personal experience. Ever since then I've been skeptical of the media's reporting of protests like this.
Cleanfeed is mandatory for ISP's, what the IWF say is illegal gets blocked by it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanfeed_(content_blocking_system)
EDIT - Btw those ISP's account for 95% of internet users, there's not really any choice in the matter.
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The more radical sites and I think some bomb making type sites, i'll have a look see if I can find any reputable references to it.
I didn't say anything about the government blocking stuff now, (although some other organisations have managed to get things blocked [virgin killers being a high profile one]) what I said is it wouldn't be a huge leap for a future government to gradually ban sites they didn't like as censorship has already started.
And I agree, i'm not some conspiratory nut who thinks because there is no proof against something it is true. It is fact some sites are censored in the UK, be it by the government or otherwise.
The ISP's were basically told "implement filtering using an approved list or we'll do it for you", all the major ones chose to comply with this threat.
The problem with internet filtering is that the entire technology is inept, therefore any attempt to use it will be destined at some point to expose this.
Associate
If the Chinese can't block what they want to, what chance does this country stand. By my understanding, 140k direct hits on child porn sites were blocked within the first week.
The list should be open to public scrutiny I think though.
Caporegime
I'm pretty sure it's not mandatory, not least because I was able to access the offending image from several isps during the time when it was supposed to be blocked.
Associate
That's a fair point actually. I've never known the media to hype up a non-event before!
