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The reason we are in that situation, is it's a hell off a lot easier to go to space than to the bottom of the sea.
Space is going from 1-0 atmospheres
Deepest part of the sea is going from 1 to over 1000 atmospheres. which is extremely hard.

So we don't do things because they are hard ? :p

What use to us is all this Space travel then ? Would be different if it was like Dead Space 3 or summit but it's boring & nowts out there. :p
 
So we don't do things because they are hard ? :p

What use to us is all this Space travel then ? Would be different if it was like Dead Space 3 or summit but it's boring & nowts out there. :p

You don't seem to understand the difference in hardness.
Do you understand what needs to be done to survive that pressure and what few sensors etc you can actually use at that depth. The time wild come when we explore the depths, it's just technically a hell of a lot harder.

I'm not interested in a lot of things, but if they make financial or social sense, then I still support them.
 
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You don't seem to understand the difference in hardness.
I think 40 years of study & all that Space money would have made things a lot easier.

We could have been Harvesting power/heat from hydrothermal vents by now & all living off Free Energy. :D
 
I'm just glad that SpaceX are around and that they're run by Elon Musk. He understands that eventually the human race needs to be on more than one planet if we are to have any chance of surviving in the extremely long term.
 
America`s greatest achievement is NASA, shame they have let it go to ruin. There was a time when the world look at the nation and thought WOW, now its just meeehhh what a bunch of thick overweights.

As for musk, only thing he understands is the $ sign.
 
In 1969 I watched the landing on TV.
In 1969 I did not have a calculator and had never seen one in use or held one.
In 1969 I had a clockwork watch.
In 1969 I had a valve amplifier for my record deck.

Virtually nothing relied on integrated circuits, programmed logic, small powerful batteries, solar energy. All has become commonplace through the research and development which was kickstarted by the race into space.
 
Shadows are all wrong
We never got to the moon with the power of a 90s calculator
Radiation would kill them
Moon is clearly not on a tilt.
We never went back and every mission since is like we never went in the first place

lol...
 
Shadows are all wrong
We never got to the moon with the power of a 90s calculator
Radiation would kill them
Moon is clearly not on a tilt.
We never went back and every mission since is like we never went in the first place

How did Concorde fly in the same year as the moon mission March 2, 1969 or the sr 71 blackbird in 1966 with the power of a calculator.:rolleyes:

Some of the technological achievements made in the 1960's have yet to been beaten to this day.
 
Have you seen concords cockpit or the sr71 it's all dials and switches I doubt any of it is electronically controlled, even the autopilot heading lock is probably a mechanical system

it doesn't need to calculate thruster burn times and god knows what else

what was the first plane with fly-by wire controls with a computer correcting the movements to keep it stable?
B-2 ?
First flight 17 July 1989

Doubt you could do it with the power of a calculator either

The guidance computer from the Apollo 11 mission ran at 1.024 MHz, about 1/6th of the processing power of a TI-83 calculator

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Have you seen concords cockpit or the sr71 it's all dials and switches I doubt any of it is electronically controlled, even the autopilot heading lock is probably a mechanical system

it doesn't need to calculate thruster burn times and god knows what else

what was the first plane with fly-by wire controls with a computer correcting the movements to keep it stable?
B-2 ?
First flight 17 July 1989

Doubt you could do it with the power of a calculator either

The guidance computer from the Apollo 11 mission ran at 1.024 MHz, about 1/6th of the processing power of a TI-83 calculator

You don't need massive amounts of computational power to do burn times.
They're fairly simple as you know the output of your engines and your mass and other variables (it's basically a case of knowing in advance when to do stuff and for how long)...

A lot of what was done for the moon landings in terms of burn times etc was worked out well in advance on the ground, often with what little computing power was available being there to automate the burn times or assist in speeding up the process for simple stuff.

It's like artillery etc, before the advent of computers they had tables to let the people using it work out the angle, amount of powder etc to hit targets at X range with Y difference in altitude (+/-), and Z wind speed/direction.
Then the early "automated" systems basically let them work it out faster and without having to manually do the math.

IIRC one of the earliest uses of computers in the military was to calculate artilllery barrages so they could do time on target for multiple batteries in minutes, so they could do them on call, rather than having to be very carefully planned well in advance.

You could probably work out the burn times for a rocket to the moon if you know the distance and thrust with an abacus, let alone a slide rule, or even a 1970's/80's calculator.

Remember the early workings for a stable orbit around the earth were done, from memory on pen and paper...

Even today most rocket launches etc have the bulk of the working out done well in advance, with the computers being used to automate the sequence of events, and allow trickier manoeuvres .
 
I like to think that man kind are capable of anything with unlimited funding. If i recall currently the moon mission cost the US around $100 billion. This is also forgetting the fact that they had some of the best people in the world working on it.

The moon is not even that far, it is only around 200,000 miles away there are cars on the road with 200-400,000 miles on the clock such as Taxi's.;)
 
I think there's far more likely ways the human race will be wiped out well before then.

I've always wondered though if an extinction sized meteor hits earth, what would the guys in the ISS do? Imagine that feeling of looking down on earth knowing you can't return and you're one of only 6 humans remaining.

Quite possibly but the goal should still be chased.
 
What would be special is a manned mission to Mars, i would be very happy if i seen this in my lifetime, isn't the only stumbling block apart from money, is to work out a way to blast back off from the red planets surface.
 
I've always thought of Arknor has one of OCUKs more intelligent members but bloody hell, I'm seriously gobsmacked.
It is well known that they didn't need the 'computer' that was on there, it could have all been done by pen & paper.

Arknor, how do you explain that the Russians and Chinese were fooled?
I can't wait for this one.
 
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