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Sliver said:
That was some quality trolling Arknor. I've read a lot of your posts and always thought of you as well balanced and insightful, but I was taken in at first by this thread. I thought maybe being a conspiracy arse was the skeleton in your closet. Glad to find out it it's not. ;)
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the less ambitious nasa are with their missions the more people will doubt their past achievements.

I am far from balanced and insightful some of my views are often ill thought out and extremely stubborn.
there was a time when a response to me from a fair amount of people was "lolarknor" and I was started to wonder if they would ever move on from that.

I can't even remember what lead to it now
 
Nothing to do with NASA it's the senate. The senate tells Nassau what they can do, on top of that they tell them what parts they have to use.
So they have inadequate finding to do the missions, must use unsuitable hardware which means cost sky rockets, as it's one big compromise. Then as costs rocket, the inadequate finding isn't enough and the next government cancel the project, wasting billions in research design and production.

Same is happening with SLS/Orion. Both are very poor vehicles, made with heavy compromise due to the senate, the only difference is so far the funding has been there. And they are so far along now it will launch. But there's nothing heavy enough to launch, and it's so expensive to launch, expect it to do a few flights then be canned. Which is silly as they're launching it, they might as well launch something heavy and useful rather than ballast.

They need to do what happened in Apollo days.
Give NASSA the mission and the funds and allow the engineers to design the crafts they want.
 
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Sliver said:
That was some quality trolling Arknor. I've read a lot of your posts and always thought of you as well balanced and insightful, but I was taken in at first by this thread. I thought maybe being a conspiracy arse was the skeleton in your closet. Glad to find out it it's not. ;)
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How where you taken by it, I mean the tilt thing is common troll and was like how ~2nd post.
 
Glaucus said:
Nothing to do with NASA it's the senate. The senate tells Nassau what they can do, on top of that they tell them what parts they have to use.
So they have inadequate finding to do the missions, must use unsuitable hardware which means cost sky rockets, as it's one big compromise. Then as costs rocket, the inadequate finding isn't enough and the next government cancel the project, wasting billions in research design and production.

Same is happening with SLS/Orion. Both are very poor vehicles, made with heavy compromise due to the senate, the only difference is so far the funding has been there. And they are so far along now it will launch. But there's nothing heavy enough to launch, and it's so expensive to launch, expect it to do a few flights then be canned.

They need to do what happened in Apollo days.
Give NASSA the mission and the funds and allow the engineers to design the crafts they want.
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then nasa should be lobbying the senate and trying to get public support for missions that will capture the imagination of the average peon

NASA could start doing documentaries similar to the "mars underground" one I linked to get people asking why we aren't doing stuff that actually matters and pushes us as a species towards something greater
 
arknor said:
then nasa should be lobbying the senate and trying to get public support for missions that will capture the imagination of the average peon

NASA could start doing documentaries similar to the "mars underground" one I linked to get people asking why we aren't doing stuff that actually matters and pushes us as a species towards something greater
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The missions do capture imagination. They do a hell of a lot of work with public and especially education. It's not like they don't want to do the missions set out, it's just they have virtually zero freedom to carry those missions out as they see fit. However they haven got money to lobby with. Unlike the companies that produce the solid booster who do extensive lobbying and as such their solid boosters must be used. On top of that as the military use solid boosters, the military have had to double their pay to keep them in business as nasa was the biggest market and when SLS comes online will again be the biggest user.

That's just one example. The companies can afford to lobby and pain for the governments campaigns to get elected and due to that the senators insure theory backs are scratched. nASA are working with both hands and legs tied.

Which is why I'm very confident that SoaceX will be the first to land on humans on mars. It's just who will pay for it, themselfs, some third party like mars one, or nasa outsourcing like they are doing with Sis resupply missions.
 
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Feek said:
Actually Dimps, as a radio ham of over thirty years, I'm very interested in what you've said. What were you actually listening to as the comms on the moon were up in the VHF bands where specialised equipment (for the time) would be needed to listen to them, specifically a large dish or horn type antenna! There aren't may reports of amateur radio operators at all who were able to evesdrop on lunar conversations.
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I was 11 years old and my Grandad said we were listening to a direct transmission and not from the radio so I've always believed it.
Mind you he also told us he was a fighter pilot in WW2 and we recently found out he was never in the Forces but worked at an airfield in Wales somewhere.
I'm sure I started a thread about him.
Another boyhood fantasy shattered if what you say is true :(
 
Glaucus said:
I belive ham radios could follow them to the moon, at least one guy built his own equipment and listened to the actual transmission on the moon.

http://www.arrl.org/eavesdropping-on-apollo-11
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Well going by that story I think we can safely assume that my Grandad did not do the same thing. He did have a lot of gear and he had an aerial mast that went at least the height of his house again but probably not the correct gear for receiving the VHF transmissions.
 
Dimple said:
Arknor still hasn't replied to my two questions :(

Even when you have thought of all the stupid CT nonsense you still have to come back to these questions:
What did the Americans put up there to convince all scientists around the world and all the Ham Radio enthusiasts?
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That could be done with an unmanned ship. The people tracking the signals proves that a transmitter went to the moon and back.

Of course, that doesn't explain why the USA would send an unmanned mission when they could send a manned one (we know they could - it was the very opposite of secret) and then gone to the huge added expense and massive political risk of faking a manned one, nor does it explain how they could have faked the video without CGI. To explain that requires aliens or gods.
 
Moredhel said:
So they spent the money, built the rockets, launched them, then... what? The astronauts stuck around in orbit then came back?

Then somehow the US government faked signals going out to the moon and back, and faked debris on a landing site on the surface, including mirrors that are still used today for laser rangefinding... All under the eyes of the USSR who would have used the tiniest excuse to cry fake. And got away with it for 45 years without any of the many thousands who would have to be involved in it ever speaking out?

Yeah, right, it didn't happen. Of course. :p
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Spot on. landing on the moon would be far easier than the whole conspiracy BS. Somehow the CT nutters always ignore the fact that USSR were watching very closely, any fun business would have been a massive win for them.
 
arknor said:
Shadows are all wrong
We never got to the moon with the power of a 90s calculator
Radiation would kill them
Moon is clearly not on a tilt.
We never went back and every mission since is like we never went in the first place
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wrong
wrong
wrong
what
they went back 5 more times, fool.
 
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