Apple to replace Intel and move to ARM - *** Confirmed as "Apple Silicon" ***

ChrisD. said:
Agreed, my iPhone 11 Pro is so frustratingly slow.
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haha its just so it looks more uniform and android counterparts are all generally 8 core.

i do understand that there’s probably not much point doing it now though, there’s too much power already for the software to make use of but in the future perhaps
 
Praz94 said:
android counterparts are all generally 8 core.
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There's never been a need for an iPhone to have the same amount of cores as Android has. As long as performance is fine, I don't see why having more cores would do anything other than to drain the battery faster.
 
ChrisD. said:
There's never been a need for an iPhone to have the same amount of cores as Android has. As long as performance is fine, I don't see why having more cores would do anything other than to drain the battery faster.
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Why would it drain battery faster? If you added 2 more efficiency cores it'll improve battery life
 
Praz94 said:
haha its just so it looks more uniform and android counterparts are all generally 8 core.

i do understand that there’s probably not much point doing it now though, there’s too much power already for the software to make use of but in the future perhaps
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Apple can afford to do 2 Big + 4 Little cores, because Apple's Little cores are much faster than Cortex A55s (which haven't been updated since 2017). So a lot more of the work can be offloaded to the Little efficiency cores. That's why SoCs for Android need to put more big cores in there, because the small cores are just not capable.

Anandtech's review of A13 showed that Apple's efficiency cores consume less than half the energy of Cortex A55, and are 2.5x to 3x faster:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14892/the-apple-iphone-11-pro-and-max-review/2

You shouldn't judge a chip (or its future-proofness) only by its number of cores, but by how capable those cores are, big and small.
 
Praz94 said:
Why would it drain battery faster? If you added 2 more efficiency cores it'll improve battery life
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I'm sure Apple know what they're doing with this. Designing their own custom silicon and all. ;)

They've extensively tested and worked out when the phone needs to wake up the big cores for efficiency to get something out of the way quicker. The efficiency cores are also way quicker than the Android competition and the OS is more efficient, so they need less resource.
 
Valo said:
Looks like there could be another Media Event in mid November to unveil the first Apple Silicon Mac's: https://www.macrumors.com/2020/10/16/apple-event-apple-silicon-mac-maybe-november-17/

It'll no doubt be at this event that macOS BigSur will ship as well.
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Most likely. Big Sur is a huge release apparently, already on the 10th beta and still some way to go before GM release. So release alongside new Macs is very likely.

We should now begin to hear rumours about actual products.
 
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chef-borjan said:
My 2013 MBP is struggling with all these zoom calls and sceen sharings... whatever they are announcing I’m getting!
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Im tempted, but i think im going to wait until the 2nd or 3rd generation of the ARM macbooks just so they iron out any issues they will first have
 
ChrisD. said:
If you haven't already, it's fairly easy to fit a SSD and more RAM which make a decent difference.
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I refreshed a few Macbooks for friends, cleaning the insides, re-applying high quality TIM, replacing fans and battery, and upgrading RAM and SSD will make a world of difference, people easily squeeze a couple of extra years of life out of them. They will cost less than £200 combined.
 
HACO said:
I refreshed a few Macbooks for friends, cleaning the insides, re-applying high quality TIM, replacing fans and battery, and upgrading RAM and SSD will make a world of difference, people easily squeeze a couple of extra years of life out of them. They will cost less than £200 combined.
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I just did this for my MacBook Pro 2016, it just reached that age where I thought id give it a go as its worth less now, instead of the many thousands it cost.

Absolutely astonished at how much faster it is now, I hadn't realised how rubbish the paste apple uses is - I cleaned the insides, applied some MX4 neatly and my average CPU speed has gone from 2.5ghz to 3.2ghz and the temps are about 20c lower now on average, bonkers. Under sustained load the max temp is now 91c instead of 100c as it used to be.

Very much recommend people put some MX4 or Grizzly on for a nice boost in performance and a much quieter system overall, its a lot snappier as its throttling less.

I was so impressed I did the same to my Mac mini 2018 main desktop rig (i7, 64gb ram), again the thermal paste was horrendous, dried and flaked to bits already, however the thermal improvements are less noticeable here, about 74c on desktop instead of 85, and still hits around 98c under load maxed out, better than the 100c it was before I guess! lol

I'm half tempted to custom cool my mini - as long as I can find a place out of site for it - basically take it apart then mount a large fat heatsink on the CPU and use it upside down with the CPU heatsink sticking out the hole in the bottom - it would have to be an offset heatsink to get around the ram of course - would cool easily then an maintain low temps - I wonder if anyone has done this?
 
I'm actually very tempted to do that to my new MBP, as I know how poor a lot of the TIM is on laptops, games consoles, etc. Although it really isn't a major issue for me with the machine atm, I definitely feel good paste will help it from sitting at raises temperatures. I'll probably wait until it's the end of the warranty, due to the price and potential complaints off Apple if something were to go wrong with it.
 
@Combat squirrel

If it wasn't for warranty I'd have replaced the TIM on every new laptop (and pretty much every single item that has pre-applied TIM, like GPUs and game consoles). You usually get at least a 5c difference, sometimes alongside better clock boots or lower fan speeds/noise.

Ryan-3 said:
I'm actually very tempted to do that to my new MBP, as I know how poor a lot of the TIM is on laptops, games consoles, etc. Although it really isn't a major issue for me with the machine atm, I definitely feel good paste will help it from sitting at raises temperatures. I'll probably wait until it's the end of the warranty, due to the price and potential complaints off Apple if something were to go wrong with it.
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Yeah, I recommend doing it once the warranty period is up.
 
My MacBook Pro is a work one, so I'm going to leave that well alone. But it does run hot, usually 70 degrees and if it's busy then well north of 90!
 
I'm very excited to see what they will offer with the new AS macs. Other than performance all I want is for them to bring back the MagSafe, I shudder at the thought of not having it.
Them adding it the the iPhone's has given me a small amount of hope!
 
ginger_pat said:
I'm very excited to see what they will offer with the new AS macs. Other than performance all I want is for them to bring back the MagSafe, I shudder at the thought of not having it.
Them adding it the the iPhone's has given me a small amount of hope!
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I do hope they bring it back, it was such an amazing feature. Not sure how it will work with going all-in on USB-C for charing on Macbooks.
 
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