Apple vs Samsung, court orders Samsung to show Apple 5 new phones

Fallen god said:
I would strongly agree with this, Google have real been pushing Android forward at a very fast pace and Apple are just content at the moment with iOS, it really shows when you see the big difference in each iteration side by side. Personally right now I think Jelly bean is a very modern OS and is leading the pack, android had a lot of issues with the look and feel, lagness, content, but it is all coming together. iOS is still ahead in terms of content and ecosystem, mostly due to iTunes which it has steadily built upon. The apps are more or less even at this time, but slightly in favour of iOS. But apart from that I would say android is getting everything right at the moment.

It just really needs 1 great Nexus phone to push it all the way, 1 great thing about Apple is that they have 1 very well built and good looking phone that is always up to date, the GN looks really well by the hardware even at release was dated. If this year's iteration is leading the pack then a lot of people here would upgrade too it, and if google really advertise it, I think it could catch on with mainstream users. Google is a company that is rather cool and has a good brand with it.

One thing that is really annoying thou is how well iOS is integrated with other hardware, if I want a headphone that comes with a mic for my iPhone it takes 1second to find, for android I had to actual search and read up and make sure it was compatible.
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I think that's all fair enough.

What Android needs is, hm, what shall we call it... 'one phone to rule them all'... and that would likely envelop the iPhone, too - for people who are happy to learn about Android (as long as it can do what they want).

Unfortunately the issue with one amazing phone is that people are never going to agree on things such as screen size, perhaps 4.7"~ would be too big.
 
Richie said:
Riiiight. So, going by wiki which you are basing your argument on:
So, in other words, no non-Apple products are actually capable of having a Retina Dsiplay given it is a brand name (not a technology) which is undoubtedly patented by Apple...

Great argument boss ;)

Do be quiet. Glaucus posed a question, I answered :rolleyes:
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I said retina 'resolution' and I think even the simplest of members on here would know exactly what was meant. I'm sure when Samsung come up with their poorly branded copy then it will be the next generation of human technology. ;)

I'll ignore your camp retort and assume you agree than the 'fanboy' diversion is both childish and pointless.
 
n111ck said:
I said retina 'resolution' and I think even the simplest of members on here would know exactly what was meant. I'm sure when Samsung come up with their poorly branded copy then it will be the next generation of human technology. ;)

I'll ignore your camp retort and assume you agree than the 'fanboy' diversion is both childish and pointless.
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Samsung don't really report/advertise such things, they just call it DPI. They push the SAMOLED brand a bit, though.
 
n111ck said:
I said retina 'resolution' and I think even the simplest of members on here would know exactly what was meant
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Not really. We assumed you meant retina display... which has been pointed out, is not possible for Samsung. So, what did you mean, as Retina Display doesn't have a set resolution, you already linked us to a document that confirm it doesn't, it's just a brand...
 
AndyCr15 said:
Beat me to it... +1



Okay, you just lost quite a lot of credibility.
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How so? You do realise that Google only created Android (for free) to get in on the mobile browsing data collection action don't you?

EVERYTHING they do is about personal data collection even street view was FFS.
 
n111ck said:
That's like saying 480p is leading edge on a 6" display because there are no other 6" displays.:rolleyes:
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No it isn't at all like saying that. It offers over 300ppi, barely any less than an iPhone 4S which is a considerably smaller screen.

If you notice PPI tends to scale down as screen size increases, such as the 9.7" iPad at 264ppi (which I guess isn't leading edge either?) or the 15.4" MBPr at 220ppi which by your backwards logic is clearly worse than the iPhone 4 and not even remotely leading edge?

n111ck said:
Let me wiki that for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_display
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"Apple claims to have a high enough pixel density that the human eye is unable to notice pixelation at a typical viewing distance."

Which makes the S3/ One X etc. retina displays by Apples own definition.
 
Robbo said:
I think that's all fair enough.

What Android needs is, hm, what shall we call it... 'one phone to rule them all'... and that would likely envelop the iPhone, too - for people who are happy to learn about Android (as long as it can do what they want).

Unfortunately the issue with one amazing phone is that people are never going to agree on things such as screen size, perhaps 4.7"~ would be too big.
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I know it wont please everyone, but they just need a quailty handset, android has dropped a lot of the crap that was holding it back, I personally hated my first android experence with the SGS, it was very laggy at first (fixed by hacking it), apps were just not there, the software was ugly (Fixed by rom and themes and such) and all in all it required a lot of work to keep up to date and keep it looking good. Now all I do is flash the latest CM10 and I'm happy, it doesnt lag, it looks amazing and I'm happy.

The only problem now is updates which iOS has locked down, althought at times you can miss features if your not on the latest and greats. A nice Nexus phone with a 4.7" screen would be great for a good chunk of the mainstream market, there is a huge amount of S3 sold and thats 4.8" so I guess more people like a bigger screen size then dont.
 
AndyCr15 said:
is not possible for Samsung.
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Agreed - this was my point all along - Samsung cant match the resolution of an iPhone 4 / 4S so they went for a lower PPI on a larger screen. They cant get get the design small enough with decent battery hence why the S3 has a 5" screen. This is not revolutionary!

At last. :)
 
n111ck said:
I said retina 'resolution' and I think even the simplest of members on here would know exactly what was meant.
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Apparently not even you then.

I asked

Richie said:
I would like to hear what you class as retina resolution. Care to state it for us?
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It was yourself that went on to use the Wiki article that went on to trip you up...

There is no such thing as Retina resolution but you went for it anyway :p
 
Raikiri said:
There's no such thing as 'retina resolution', it's to do with pixel density. The S3 is higher resolution and larger, so Apple would probably classify its 306ppi as 'retina' because the viewing distance vs the 3.5" 326ppi screen would be greater.
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It's a phone it has the same viewing distance.

All retina display means, is An apple device has a high enough ppi so that at the typical viewing distance the eye can't see the pixels.

So any device that has that magical dpi for that distance would have a retina display.
 
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n111ck said:
How so? You do realise that Google only created Android (for free) to get in on the mobile browsing data collection action don't you?

EVERYTHING they do is about personal data collection even street view was FFS.
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You understand that Google brought Android and made it opensource.

n111ck said:
Agreed - this was my point all along - Samsung cant match the resolution of an iPhone 4 / 4S so they went for a lower PPI on a larger screen. They cant get get the design small enough with decent battery hence why the S3 has a 5" screen. This is not revolutionary!

At last. :)
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But their is a lot of phones out there with high PPI such as the Sony, and HTC 4.3" 720p phones.
 
n111ck said:
How so? You do realise that Google only created Android (for free) to get in on the mobile browsing data collection action don't you?

EVERYTHING they do is about personal data collection even street view was FFS.
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Wait wait. What? I thought they were just a search engine!?!?! I'm confused...

I want Google to know more about me. I was travelling somewhere for work for 2 months. Navigation kept taking me off through Watford and every time I went up to the M25 and round. Why did it never learn!?!?!
 
n111ck said:
Agreed - this was my point all along - Samsung cant match the resolution of an iPhone 4 / 4S so they went for a lower PPI on a larger screen. They cant get get the design small enough with decent battery hence why the S3 has a 5" screen. This is not revolutionary!

At last. :)
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What are you talking about...

4S - 640 x 960 pixels, 3.5 inches (~330 ppi pixel density)

S3 - 720 x 1280 pixels, 4.8 inches (~306 ppi pixel density)
 
n111ck said:
Agreed - this was my point all along - Samsung cant match the resolution of an iPhone 4 / 4S so they went for a lower PPI on a larger screen.
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If I'm honest, I'm definitely beginning to think you're not too bright. It's not possible because it's an Apple brand.
 
Robbo said:
What are you talking about...

4S - 640 x 960 pixels, 3.5 inches (~330 ppi pixel density)

S3 - 720 x 1280 pixels, 4.8 inches (~306 ppi pixel density)
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He doesn't know the difference between resolution and pixel density. He appears (by his posts) to think they are one and the same.
 
n111ck said:
Agreed - this was my point all along - Samsung cant match the resolution of an iPhone 4 / 4S so they went for a lower PPI on a larger screen. They cant get get the design small enough with decent battery hence why the S3 has a 5" screen. This is not revolutionary!

At last. :)
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You do realise Samsung make the screens for the iPad and LG make the iPhone ones?

Sharp IS03
Sharp 930SH
Sharp 934SH
Sharp 936SH
Sony Xperia S
HTC Rezound
LG LU1400
Nokia E6

All of these phones have something in common, they're higher PPI than the iPhone.

Glaucus said:
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It's a phone it has the same viewing distance.
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Generally I can hold my 4.3" One S a little further away than I did my iPhone 4 and still read stuff, due to the larger screen.

I was basing it on Apples own definition of retina, such as the iPad 3 being retina due to its larger size even though it's 'only' 264PPI.
 
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