Apple vs Samsung, court orders Samsung to show Apple 5 new phones

[AndyCr15]

Do you still not understand though, there is no real argument here, just two alternatives. Why can't people prefer one over the other?

Yeah, of course. If someone wants to say "I prefer..." or "I think..." you can't really argue that. It's an opinion and everyone's allowed one.

If someone says "X is better than Y because X can do Z and Y can't" then it's a little different as this can be proved right or wrong. These video's are just offering up a few Z's I think.

**EDIT** Wow, I can't watch those vids though, the guy is too slow for my liking.

 

[Robbo]

Yeah, of course. If someone wants to say "I prefer..." or "I think..." you can't really argue that. It's an opinion and everyone's allowed one.

If someone says "X is better than Y because X can do Z and Y can't" then it's a little different as this can be proved right or wrong. These video's are just offering up a few Z's I think.

**EDIT** Wow, I can't watch those vids though, the guy is too slow for my liking.

Absolutely, those people are silly, but it can often just be a case of someone liking the overall feel/workings of something more than something else. It's often that simple.

 

[Fallen god]

Absolutely, those people are silly, but it can often just be a case of someone liking the overall feel/workings of something more than something else. It's often that simple.

But it is almost impossible for most poeple to like 1 product without feeling the other is inferior and therefore useless and crap, it happens with almost everything, but with smartphones its a lot worse as they all are almost as good as each other, but with just a different twist in execution imo.

 

[Richie]

The S3 isn't even retina resolution - I thought the screen was only that big to accommodate a decent battery?

I would like to hear what you class as retina resolution. Care to state it for us?

Also interesting that google told Samsung to move further apart from the iPad. That document would be interesting to read.

Interesting to the point that, although Google advised them to move their Tab 10.1 away from an Apple design, it wasn't and the jury still found it did NOT infringe the patent.... Then he states that this made up their mind in the wilfulness claim...

Not sure if Koh was correct in the Apple lawyer possibly smoking crack... Perhaps she should have asked the jury

 

[AndyCr15]

But it is almost impossible for most poeple to like 1 product without feeling the other is inferior and therefore useless and crap

I wouldn't say so. I think more Android users have experienced Apple than the other way round. I think a high proportion of Apple users don't really know Android.

I could have course be totally wrong

 

[Richie]

That's to simple, you must have an irrational hatred of apple.

And where's all these crackpot apple fan boys they keep happening on about? Must be in their minds.

Alpherah
n111ck
mrochester

That's just off the top of my head in 10 seconds

 

[Raikiri]

But it is almost impossible for most poeple to like 1 product without feeling the other is inferior and therefore useless and crap, it happens with almost everything, but with smartphones its a lot worse as they all are almost as good as each other, but with just a different twist in execution imo.

It's not if you're remotely rational.

 

[stoosh]

Interesting article on The Verge on how Google has avoided Apple's patents

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3268609/how-google-has-avoided-apples-patents-trade-dress-other-claims

 

[Nexus18]

Alpherah
n111ck
mrochester

That's just off the top of my head in 10 seconds

This!

A lot more to add to that list, but can't be bothered listing them all and would kind of like to add a few quotes but I am not wasting my time doing that as well!


Pretty much what Andy first said there.

If people prefer it, then fair enough, can't argue with an opinion, however, once people start saying something is better/easier on iOS (when it really isn't), then that is where they are talking BS and can be backed up by those videos posted by that guy. Android IMHO has far surpassed iOS in a majority of areas since ICS, only thing better about iOS is some apps and the whole system having a better unified feel to it than the majority of android phones/apps.

 

[Bear]

I'm intrigued to why this is. Wonder if its something to do with how people manage devices. Not to say that you're doing something wrong, but I've honestly not had any sort of lag/stutter on my iPhone or iPad. Admittedly I did on my original iPad but that was most likely due to it only having 256MB RAM.

There's nothing to manage, the wife surfs the net, checks emails and plays angry birds. I just surf the net, check emails and play the odd game. None of the iPads have even used more than 5Gbs used. All of them are stock and the iPod touch has 2 apps on it and are never used one is the spirit level and the other is a torch type thing.

 

[Nexus18]

LOLOLOLO Just came across this:

 

[n111ck]

4.8, and currently it's the highest resolution on any device of that size so yeah, it's leading edge.

That's like saying 480p is leading edge on a 6" display because there are no other 6" displays.

I would like to hear what you class as retina resolution. Care to state it for us?

Let me wiki that for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_display

Alpherah
n111ck
mrochester

That's just off the top of my head in 10 seconds

Oh noes its fanboys - lets spend 20 posts pointlessly diverting the subject to nasty fanboys. Grow up.

 

[Richie]

LOLOLOLO Just came across this:

That is actually quite funny

 

[Fallen god]

If people prefer it, then fair enough, can't argue with an opinion, however, once people start saying something is better/easier on iOS (when it really isn't), then that is where they are talking BS and can be backed up by those videos posted by that guy. Android IMHO has far surpassed iOS in a majority of areas since ICS, only thing better about iOS is some apps and the whole system having a better unified feel to it than the majority of android phones/apps.

I would strongly agree with this, Google have real been pushing Android forward at a very fast pace and Apple are just content at the moment with iOS, it really shows when you see the big difference in each iteration side by side. Personally right now I think Jelly bean is a very modern OS and is leading the pack, android had a lot of issues with the look and feel, lagness, content, but it is all coming together. iOS is still ahead in terms of content and ecosystem, mostly due to iTunes which it has steadily built upon. The apps are more or less even at this time, but slightly in favour of iOS. But apart from that I would say android is getting everything right at the moment.

It just really needs 1 great Nexus phone to push it all the way, 1 great thing about Apple is that they have 1 very well built and good looking phone that is always up to date, the GN looks really well by the hardware even at release was dated. If this year's iteration is leading the pack then a lot of people here would upgrade too it, and if google really advertise it, I think it could catch on with mainstream users. Google is a company that is rather cool and has a good brand with it.

One thing that is really annoying thou is how well iOS is integrated with other hardware, if I want a headphone that comes with a mic for my iPhone it takes 1second to find, for android I had to actual search and read up and make sure it was compatible.

Let me wiki that for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_display

Actual, anything over 300ppi as been classified as a Retina display by Steve Jobs himself, so the s3 goes under that, you just posted what Apple market as retina display devices.

 

[n111ck]

There's nothing to manage, the wife surfs the net, checks emails and plays angry birds. I just surf the net, check emails and play the odd game. None of the iPads have even used more than 5Gbs used. All of them are stock and the iPod touch has 2 apps on it and are never used one is the spirit level and the other is a torch type thing.

So have you taken your broken devices back to the store?

 

[Richie]

Let me wiki that for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_display

Riiiight. So, going by wiki which you are basing your argument on:

Retina Display is a brand name used by Apple for displays

So, in other words, no non-Apple products are actually capable of having a Retina Dsiplay given it is a brand name (not a technology) which is undoubtedly patented by Apple...

Great argument boss

Oh noes its fanboys - lets spend 20 posts pointlessly diverting the subject to nasty fanboys. Grow up.

Do be quiet. Glaucus posed a question, I answered

 

[n111ck]

Google is a company that is rather cool and has a good brand with it.

Google is a search engine - its is NOT cool by any stretch.

 

[Glaucus]

One thing that is really annoying thou is how well iOS is integrated with other hardware, if I want a headphone that comes with a mic for my iPhone it takes 1second to find, for android I had to actual search and read up and make sure it was compatible.

yeah apples two biggest advantages are ecosystem and peripherals.
People complain about apples dock, but just look at the periphals available.


I wouldn't say apple have rested, ios6 is actually a good evolution. It's just apple isn't trying to be android. Your never going to get customization on apple (or at least I doubt it). android wants to do everything and due to that can provide a bad experience with cheaper phones as they aren't powerful enough or apps not working properly.

Android has massively caught up and of a few months ago became a viable choice for me(film purchase) But then it needs to be more than a viable choice for me to just throw all those paid apps in the bin, that also works the other way around. To switch ecosystems (unless you've only used free apps), there needs to be a big reason to move over.

 

[Fallen god]

Google is a search engine - its is NOT cool by any stretch.

That would explain the countless amount of times that I hear google in a sentence it always about how amazing are cool there software solutions are, just because you dont think its cool and reliable doesnt mean others dont.

yeah apples two biggest advantages are ecosystem and peripherals.
People complain about apples dock, but just look at the periphals available.

Android has massively caught up and of a few months ago became a viable choice for me(film purchase) But then it needs to be more than a viable choice for me to just throw all those paid apps in the bin, that also works the other way around. To switch ecosystems (unless you've only used free apps), there needs to be a big reason to move over.

These are 2 places where apple shines, when most people talk about ecosystem I dont actual think they really understand it and it is just a term that is thrown around, but Itunes is amazing, and it has a huge reach. They have built apon what the iPod had with the music industry, all the movies/film and apps to make a really freat ecosystem. Google seems to be taking this much more seriously and if the N7 sells very well we could see a big improvements.

 

[Nexus18]

Google have real been pushing Android forward at a very fast pace and Apple are just content at the moment with iOS, it really shows when you see the big difference in each iteration side by side. Personally right now I think Jelly bean is a very modern OS and is leading the pack, android had a lot of issues with the look and feel, lagness, content, but it is all coming together. iOS is still ahead in terms of content and ecosystem, mostly due to iTunes which it has steadily built upon. The apps are more or less even at this time, but slightly in favour of iOS. But apart from that I would say android is getting everything right at the moment.

It just really needs 1 great Nexus phone to push it all the way, 1 great thing about Apple is that they have 1 very well built and good looking phone that is always up to date, the GN looks really well by the hardware even at release was dated. If this year's iteration is leading the pack then a lot of people here would upgrade too it, and if google really advertise it, I think it could catch on with mainstream users. Google is a company that is rather cool and has a good brand with it.

One thing that is really annoying thou is how well iOS is integrated with other hardware, if I want a headphone that comes with a mic for my iPhone it takes 1second to find, for android I had to actual search and read up and make sure it was compatible.

Exactly!