Soldato
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But he never plays.
Ever!
are arsenal really "that" good?
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But he never plays.
Ever!
Soldato
£10million
£20k a week
to sit on the bench or play in the reserves.
smart piece of business there by Arse(ne) Whinger.
£20k a week
to sit on the bench or play in the reserves.
smart piece of business there by Arse(ne) Whinger. 
Originally posted by Afterlife
£10million
£20k a week
to sit on the bench or play in the reserves.
hes great at things like that fields the highest paid biggest transfer value reserve side in england lol
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This is a very "expensive" point Arsene is making.
Soldato
Fox in the box lol....more like.....crock at the doc
Originally posted by Jazz
cliffy where u find all those
also according to planetfootball Silvestre cost £4 million
Can't remember the site, was about 10 pages in on google.
Originally posted by memphisto
Your point ? all that proves is that Man utd dont sell many players whereas arse buy in loads of crap then ship them out
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Overall Wenger has spent an estimated £112,950,000 in the transfer market but he has recouped £86,294,000, leaving a deficit of just £26,656,000.
That compares to Ferguson's £142,050,000 spent, £47,095,000 recouped, leaving a deficit of £94,955,000.
The other title-challenging clubs also have significant deficits. Liverpool have spent £120,990,000 with a deficit of £60,675,000; Newcastle have spent £124,290,000 with a deficit of £44, 715,000; Leeds £110,935,000 with a deficit of £47,765,000 and Chelsea £116,230,000 with a deficit of £61,970,000.
Wenger has been criticised, even among Arsenal supporters, for a number of poor signings. His most expensive acquisition, Sylvain Wiltord, is often cited as a £13m flop, but he contributed crucially last year to the Double. The jury is still out on £10m Francis Jeffers. Most of those that could be regarded as failures were signed relatively cheaply or on free transfers.
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Is that over their tenure at each club?
because you can kick the arse out of that straight away as Fergie has been at Old trafford 12 odd years and I THINK it was 1997 when Wenger took over and did the double in his first season.
Break those figures down into titles won and years in charge and im fairly sure that fergy comes out on top.
7 league titles in 10 years.
1 champions league title
a couple of FA cups.
World club championship.
didnt they do some european supercup thing as well and win that?
so for the cost of £791,291 per season, he has delivered (say eleven trophies but i think its more) so say 11 divided by twelve gives you 0.91 of a "trophy" per season.
So if its 1996 to 2002 gives us 6 years for Wenger gives you 4 trophies (2 FA cup and league doubles) giiives 4 divided by 6 =0.6 of a trophy per season. at a cost of (26,656,000. divided by 6= 444,266 per season (rough)
0.91-0.6 = 0.31 trophy difference per season.
so over twice as long in charge as wenger Fergie has spent UNDER twice as much as Wenger, and won 3 times as much.
im pretty sure which ever way you look at it it comes out on expence versus return Ie achivements Fergie wins.
the problem i have with AF is that he has a lot more money to spend than Wenger. he can afford to break the british transfer record 2 years in a row, during which time he baught the 3 most expensive players in the premiership. he also baught the most expensive goal keeper in the world (at the time - barthez). he also baught the most expensive defender in the world (at the time - stam). in fact i think the only time at which man utd didnt hold the british transfer record was when newcastle paid £15m for shearer.
arsenal cannot even hope to compete against this financial muscle.
the argument should be that if wenger had these funds available to him, would he do better?
personally i beleive that if AF wants to compete against R.madrid and break transfer records, then buy one player every 2 seasons that will allow man utd to hold the current transfer record, and buy 2 or 3 other players who cost less than £5 each, per year. for this though we need better scouts to find the bargain players...scouts that man utd dont have.
this would allow us to afford players such as Zidane and should allow us to be competitive in the premiership and CL.
arsenal cannot even hope to compete against this financial muscle.
the argument should be that if wenger had these funds available to him, would he do better?
personally i beleive that if AF wants to compete against R.madrid and break transfer records, then buy one player every 2 seasons that will allow man utd to hold the current transfer record, and buy 2 or 3 other players who cost less than £5 each, per year. for this though we need better scouts to find the bargain players...scouts that man utd dont have.
this would allow us to afford players such as Zidane and should allow us to be competitive in the premiership and CL.
Soldato
Half a mile from Highbury, I'll still be able to use my normal matchday boozer, result.
Just think HOW united are competing with the other big clubs, Real madrid is bank rolled by the spanish government and at the begining of last year were TWO HUNDRED MILLION in debt to them, united can spend big and not get in debt.
Why cant Arsenal compete financially? They are in london, they have been i going longer than "united", they have over their time been in the "top" division longer than united, it must be poor forward planning by directors earlier on, United arnt cheating because they run a better buisnes than the other clubs, if the arse cant compete with united financial clout its their own fault!
No offense to anyone like, its not as they go around mugging old ladies for the money.
No, they're just one big money making machine. Look at all the deals and links they are making with commerce and the likes of the New York Yankies. All about making as much profit as possible.Originally posted by dirtydog
I don't understand that.. it's not as if they're Chelsea with all foreign mercenaries playing for them (well mostly - used to be all). The heart of the club is British players, with many from Manchester so I don't get you
didnt zidane cost madrid £49 million i cant see fergie/man utd splashing out that much on any one player, that fee was ludicrous on madrid are crazy enough to splash out that much they have state backing they can do what they want utd have to earn their own money and spend it.
arsenal cant expand their own stadium they are stuck at 38,000 utd can expand their stadium and they get almost 30,000 more people for home matches, they also have more fans so that helps as well
utd are a business no doubt didnt cantona leave coz of that i remember reading that he thought it was all about the money at utd and he didnt want to be apart of it anymore, he even said fergie agreed with him, but on the other if they are not a buisness they cant pay the high wages they do
they have state backing they can do what they want utd have to earn their own money and spend it.arsenal cant expand their own stadium they are stuck at 38,000 utd can expand their stadium and they get almost 30,000 more people for home matches, they also have more fans so that helps as well
utd are a business no doubt didnt cantona leave coz of that i remember reading that he thought it was all about the money at utd and he didnt want to be apart of it anymore, he even said fergie agreed with him, but on the other if they are not a buisness they cant pay the high wages they do