Are OCUK Forums in decline?

Your humble opinion? Does not come across as very humble. You obviously don't have a scale in your mind with regards to racism. I have met people like yourself. They put a racist joke in the same category as ethnic cleansing on a national scale. "racism is racism" am i right?

I realy do not get offended by a petty racism. I find the differences between cultures and ethnic backgrounds and the cliches that go with them hilarious. Maybe in your mind that makes me destined to be violent.

I bet people like DD if he saw a man in the street hurt that needed help, he would come to the aid of the person no matter what ethnic background they are.
 
Everyone is too worried about offending others these days.

Ok we should try our best not to and not go out purposefully to offend others.

But lets face it. Offending a few people isnt the end of the world.

I try my best not to offend..but I wont change my views to mollycoddle people.

Edit: thank you moderators. (especially you 5UB :p)

As long as people aren't going out of their way to be offensive and can be seen to post with a little bit of sensibility (and sensitivity when required) then I agree that people shouldn't be too sensitive or take offence by proxy. Unfortunately we live in such a world.
 
Your humble opinion? Does not come across as very humble. You obviously don't have a scale in your mind with regards to racism. I have met people like yourself. They put a racist joke in the same category as ethnic cleansing on a national scale. "racism is racism" am i right?

I realy do not get offended by a petty racism. I find the differences between cultures and ethnic backgrounds and the cliches that go with them hilarious. Maybe in your mind that makes me destined to be violent.

I bet people like DD if he saw a man in the street hurt that needed help, he would come to the aid of the person no matter what ethnic background they are.

Was this aimed at me? I didn't reply as I thought it was meant towards someone else... if it is, then quite frankly it's rendered me speechless if so. As you're completely wrong... where did that post come from?! :confused:
 
Regarding the actual issue of race/immigration. I feel that the country is suffering due to an intake of foreign people into the UK and are claiming benefits upon arrival (as the EU governs that they are free to travel to the UK).

DOES THE ABOVE MAKE ME A RACIST? NO!

What does annoy me is that the government hands out benefits to these people who have travelled to the UK looking for "free hand outs" I believe that if a foreign (European or Asian) person wants to reside in the UK then let them, buit they must be self-sustaining in the country. No funding from the government should be given intially. If a person comes over and gets a job and for example 6-12 months later the company lays them off/or goes bust, then that situation is a little different and funding can and should be given but with the provisions of the person is actively really looking for work to be self sufficient again.

DOES THE ABOVE MAKE ME A RACIST? NO!

I imagine Tummy and others are going to abuse me and call me a racist for my opinion now!

I'm a firm believer that you should only be entitled to funding only if you have paid into it in the first place.

This also leads me onto the debate of people in the UK (Born here) who don't work out of choice and enjoy the hand outs from the government. I firmly also believe that any able bodied person out of work who is claiming benefits should be made to do something for the payment - whether it is a bit of community work or similiar. There are two benefits to this, 1. They would feel a sense of "earning" to the money, which is justified, I work hard and then I regualrly see articles on the news and on the net about families who sit at home all day who get more than I do and they are not bothered about work. How does this make you feel? It makes my blood boil. 2. Many people who get lesser amounts would be incentivised to actively seek work as they would have more money available, which lets face it if you at home with your parents and gets £50-£60 a week to do bugger all or get £140-£150 a week to work (unskilled, low waged work). Some people prefer the lazy option, but if you had to do a bit of "work" for the £50 a week then surely it makes sense to do that work in proper employment and get £150 a week.

Then, and only then would the government books start to move towards positive income vs outgoings. It would also give many more people more money to spend, thus again helping the economy.

I do understand that some people who are out of work do honestly want to get back into work, but jobs can be difficult to obtain, but Im sure somebody actively seeking work will not mind a few hours labour a week of some kind. I know if I was out of work and at home all day I would go out of my mind!

I also understand that if I was from a poor country and another country offering me these perks of "free money and housing and food provisions" then why not take it? So it's the UK government who are at fault here not the individuals taking advantage of the situation! The UK government needs a firmer approach on these handouts. Then the influx of people would be reduced and then the governments outgoings would be massively reduced.
 
Claiming benefits is a completely different issue, and immigrants don't necessarily mean people of a different creed. I'd also say there are just as many British people claiming benefits without deserving them as you have said.
 
I agree, but I disagree with removing a thread that of this ilk without a polite reason explaining why. It makes these topics (initially) seem off bounds. Again, authority shouldn't be beyond fair criticism or discussion, same applies for the rules. Again, not having a go at anyone, just making the point.

No, not the 'same issue' had there being a reason for removing the thread, such as I've highlighted in prior posts I'd have had no qualms about the topic, but it wasn't handled in such a way. Again, I'm not having a go at anyone.

There are on occasion topics where providing a reason explaining why it was removed is simply not possible - it may be that the whole topic is so far from what can/should be discussed on here that to post up a message oblique enough not to cause a problem, in and of, itself is worthless.

Maybe in this case a message could have been posted but with the best will in the World moderators will sometimes not do everything in the ideal way and it's easy to look back with the benefit of hindsight and say "this should have been done" or "that should have been done" but sometimes the most important thing is to prevent the problem from going further before taking corrective action. Here the thread was effectively quarantined before being cleaned up and returned - is the eventual outcome not the most important thing?

When I said the "same issue" I meant absolutely literally about you not being able to post - you said you were in the middle of a post, your inability to post what you'd been composing would have been the same whatever happened in terms of moderation there.

Is this aimed at me?

I'm fully aware that I don't speak for all the posters on here, but at the same time it's not a reason to not give my opinion.

It's a general comment. I'm not asking you to stop giving your opinion - provided it's within the rules then for you or anyone else then there's no reason not to post as far as I'm concerned. Of course people are then equally free to disagree with you provided they are polite and don't become personally insulting.

Whatever the moderators do will displease some people - it could be giving out bars of chocolate to all members and yet there'd be people on a diet, some who just didn't like chocolate and some who despised the choice of free chocolate. The point being simply that it's worth remembering that any decisions made will have their proponents and their opponents as well as the people who just don't give a stuff either way about that particular issue - there has never been and can never be an absolute consensus of opinion so don't believe there's always an absolute right or wrong to any issue, it merely depends on your perspective.

That's probably a bit philosophical for the thread but what the hell, a light bit of philosophy in the evenings never hurt anybody.

Essentially I'd like to see a bit more respect from people towards each other - if we can get that then I think everything else flows from that.
 
OK, this is a weird one.

A while back I noticed that if I posted (or anyone for that matter) a thread in GD, within a few hours it would be knocked onto page 2-3 with or without replies. Now, back to the current time frame, I can post a thread and it will stay on page 1 nearly all day. This is showing me signs of decline.

Now, it could just be me, but have any of you guys noticed this or not?

Yes. This is true.
 
Claiming benefits is a completely different issue, and immigrants don't necessarily mean people of a different creed. I'd also say there are just as many British people claiming benefits without deserving them as you have said.

I think a lot of negativity towards race is from peoples origins and forming an opnion based on that. Thus race and immigration falls hand in hand together.
 
You've lost me sorry.

OK, there was a certain irony:

OP: 'Are OCUK Forums in decline?'

You post: 'They voted me Man of Honour, all down hill now.'

Decline = down hill.

I post: 'OPs point was that this forum is going down hill.... ? You gonna help it along?'

That's it. Capish?
 
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