Are OCUK Forums in decline?

semi-pro waster said:
You're right in that there may be multiple ways to deal with any particular problem but often the best approach is simply to remove the offending thread or posts until they can sensibly be discussed amongst the moderating team. The thread gets cleared up and it's now back for discussion, provided people don't overstep the boundaries as Freefaller has said then input can be valuable. Sure, it's bound to be a bit annoying when you're mid-post but that's pretty much unavoidable - the same issue would have have occurred for you with a thread lock or soft-deletion.
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I agree, but I disagree with removing a thread that of this ilk without a polite reason explaining why. It makes these topics (initially) seem off bounds. Again, authority shouldn't be beyond fair criticism or discussion, same applies for the rules. Again, not having a go at anyone, just making the point.

No, not the 'same issue' had there being a reason for removing the thread, such as I've highlighted in prior posts I'd have had no qualms about the topic, but it wasn't handled in such a way. Again, I'm not having a go at anyone.

semi-pro waster said:
It's good that people feel involved enough to offer their opinions on moderating decisions and they are valued but sometimes it pays to remember that just because a few people disagree with a decision doesn't necessarily make it a bad decision - there may be an equal or greater number who agree with it and the reasons for it. Then again there are some decisions that simply have to be taken regardless of the popular mood.
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Is this aimed at me?

I'm fully aware that I don't speak for all the posters on here, but at the same time it's not a reason to not give my opinion.
 
Freefaller said:
Agreed entirely. However, we cannot ban or suspend someone for posting in that style. Some people do have biggoted views, hopefully with our help we can change their views. Or at least air our disgust (within the rules) and with your permission (to everyone on the forum) I'd be happy to edit thread titles if that is something you wish me to do?

If someone posts it in a post I think it's down to you to moderate it or RTM it. As it's unfair for me to project MY values onto everyone here... that's why I want this to be discussed. I could easily delete a lot of things which I think are unreasonable / irrelevant / not sensitive or sensible, however I don't think that's conducive to a rich forum cross section of ideas.
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It doesn't really change the context of the post though, when you read it you can tell that people genuinely believe that people do this because of their race. There's a difference in pointing out someones race (Saying the Asian guy over there, for example), and racism as actually believing another race are "below you" which is what some people on the forum seem to think. The title of threads is just there to bait people in, the content of the post is what is the problem, and mods allowing discussions to go on far past their time of being constructive.

Rules regarding racism shouldn't be set in stone, if a mod and forum members believe a person is being racist it should be dealt with and deleted, not left and being told "Well he didn't say the N word or the P word so there's not much I can do".

Personally I think allowing it just makes the forum in general look bad, it's nothing to do with being overly strict, people of every race come to buy products from you, and people of every race give you business, if they happen to come on the forums and see the thread titles we've had in GD and then read posts people have made in said topics then what impression do you think they get of your business? You think they will continue to buy from a company who allows forum members to express hatred and disgust against their race? I sure as hell don't.
 
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So we should ban someone if someone says "The Asian guy over there"?

What rule would that fall under? - Like I say, there needs to be a line, what is the line that has to be crossed that is deemed racist?

By saying "The Asian guy over there" doesn't seem racist to me at all... In the other hand, if someone said ""The Asian guy over is a so and so like all the other Asians" that is when I feel it would cross the line and becomes racist and offensive, which is a rule break.
 
5UB said:
So we should ban someone if someone says "The Asian guy over there"?

What rule would that fall under? - Like I say, there needs to be a line, what is the line that has to be crossed that is deemed racist?

By saying "The Asian guy over there" doesn't seem racist to me at all... In the other hand, if someone said ""The Asian guy over is a so and so like all the other Asians" that is when I feel it would cross the line and becomes racist and offensive, which is a rule break.
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Sorry missed out a bit of the sentence, it's meant to read:
There's a difference in pointing out someones race (Saying the Asian guy over there, for example), and racism as actually believing another race are "below you" which is what some people on the forum seem to think
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Fixed it.
 
Freefaller said:
Well bear in mind that it can get quite frantic and some of us sometimes use our phones to browse, and if I'm honest sometimes work and life takes priority, shoving it out of the way or just locking it is sometimes the best bet.

We get hounded if we lock it without explanation and hounded if we move it out of the way so we can clean up a thread. :(

What can we do?!
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As I've always said, I'd like to see even HALF the people moaning try and moderate these forums as good as some of you guys do.

Yes, things can be done better sometimes, yes locking a thread and adding a comment would be good, but seriously, the mods have a real life to love along with a job to do, let alone moderate the forums for FREE
 
This could lead on other things, if it is to do with putting people down. I used to be put down due to my hearing at school, for example people would think less of me because I wore two hearing aids. There are lots of people that are like this unfortunately, if it is to do with race, having a disability, or even the way you look or act.

To moderate all of this would be extremely hard, which is why there are tough decisions as to where the line can be drawn.
 
5UB said:
This could lead on other things, if it is to do with putting people down. I used to be put down due to my hearing at school, for example people would think less of me because I wore two hearing aids. There are lots of people that are like this unfortunately, if it is to do with race, having a disability, or even the way you look or act.

To moderate all of this would be extremely hard, which is why there are tough decisions as to where the line can be drawn.
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Would the answer not be to look at expanding the moderators to help out, or try and educate the community on what to say and what not to say?
 
I'm outraged at the way Gypsys are portrayed on this Forum.



Anybody want there Drive done ?
 
Tummy said:
Would the answer not be to look at expanding the moderators to help out, or try and educate the community on what to say and what not to say?
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Not hard really is it.

Don't swear like a moron or post about subjects that quite obviously will cause offense to people :p

That and not to post wobbling boobie gifs
 
How would expanding the team help? We haven't come down to a conclusion yet where a line is drawn.

We are talking about this, but no one has thought of a rule yet to be put in place which would underline the issue you find on the forum. - It is a tough subject to moderate, having more moderators wouldn't really help with what is deemed as racist or what isn't.
 
I've never really gotten into GD. I would say that probably 90% of my posts are in the hardware sections just because threads go too quickly in GD and are generally full of rubbish.
 
5UB said:
How would expanding the team help? We haven't come down to a conclusion yet where a line is drawn.

We are talking about this, but no one has thought of a rule yet to be put in place which would underline the issue you find on the forum. - It is a tough subject to moderate, having more moderators wouldn't really help with what is deemed as racist or what isn't.
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Expanding the moderating team in response to you saying moderating so many things is difficult, have a couple more people to help out.
 
We have the time to moderate and I feel we all do it to the best we can, and it has worked well, especially considering in the last 44 days we had ten thousand new members sign up to this forum.

What is difficult for us, is users saying that we should somehow moderate peoples posts more when technically they are not breaking any rules.
 
Expanding the moderating team doesn't necessarily mean better moderation. The expression "it's quality, not quantity" is appropriate here.
 
5UB said:
We have the time to moderate and I feel we all do it to the best we can, and it has worked well, especially considering in the last 44 days we had ten thousand new members sign up to this forum.

What is difficult for us, is users saying that we should somehow moderate peoples posts more when technically they are not breaking any rules.
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basically people need to RTM stuff more :p
 
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