Are people not responsible for their own actions anymore?

Narj

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I picked up the Evening Standard this evening and was confronted by a pretty depressing picture. The headline is, "The picture that shames America". Anyway, here is the online version:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...less-fathers-body-shows-toll-of-a4175971.html

First off, I can't stand Donald Fart at all, but am I unreasonable in saying that it's a bit of a stretch trying to lay the (thinly veiled) blame on him and his policies?

Take stupid risks, especially with children, and it's likely to end in tears. I'm a bit perplexed at how this is anyone's fault but the father's?

Maybe I'm a bit old but I've always believed in taking responsibility for my actions rather than blame-shifting, even if it could have got me the sack in the past.

Please can someone tell me what am I missing?
 
Depends I guess how desperate their situation is in this case.

In general though I notice a depressing lack of people able to take or willing to take responsibility for their own action or for the betterment of the environment (in general not climate wise) they exist in.
 
It's all the Democrats have to campaign on now that their Russian collusion conspiracy has been burst by reality. Those conditions at the border that are being blown all out of proportion have existed for decades but it plays into the "orange man bad" hysteria among the left. It's common knowledge that the journey across the border is dangerous but the Democrats are the ones encouraging it so they should be blamed if anyone. Much like in the EU where Merkel and the left are encouraging migrants to make the perilous journey across the Mediterranean.

In general, people seem to have waivered all personal responsibility in favour of a big brother nanny state where every trivial occurence requires a new law to be passed to further increase control from the top down.
 
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South America being a **** hole is obviously Donald Trumps fault, duh. No but in general personal responsibility isn't something the left like, they like the idea of the government being responsible for everyone, concepts like personal freedoms and people failing because they sat on their arse or made bad life decisions aren't things they like.
 
I thought exactly the same when I read it too. I felt desperately sorry for the dead child. But it is not Trumpy McTrumpFace's fault.
 
Roar87 said:
South America being a **** hole is obviously Donald Trumps fault, duh. No but in general personal responsibility isn't something the left like, they like the idea of the government being responsible for everyone, concepts like personal freedoms and people failing because they sat on their arse or made bad life decisions aren't things they like.
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Yes... South America.... :p

Edit: and wtf more of ‘the left’. When will it enddddd.
 
billysielu said:
yeah the left is derpy.
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Well I consider myself to have *some* left- leaning views so that's unfair. Try the 'hysterical left' or 'regressive left'. Thanks. :)

Also the headline in the printed edition pretty much alludes to foreign policy without a direct accusation.
 
The kid seems very conveniently placed along side him. If they both drowned how have they ended up in that position side by side?

Am I missing something? Call me cynical but this looks all very setup for everyone to feel for thier plight more.

I get that this is a huge issue but this looks setup just to drive it home to even the hardest hearts
 
If you make it as difficult as possible for people to seek asylum or even simply seek a better life, then you push them up take risks that will sometimes end tragically.

I suppose you have to ask yourself: what circumstances must that man have been in that risking the life of his 2 year old daughter, as well as his own, was worth the shot? What must have pushed him to that point. Empathy for a father doing his best - are we evolved enough here in GD to be capable of such reflection?
 
Narj said:
Well I consider myself to have *some* left- leaning views so that's unfair. Try the 'hysterical left' or 'regressive left'. Thanks. :)

Also the headline in the printed edition pretty much alludes to foreign policy without a direct accusation.
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The "Facebook Left"? :p
 
azazl187 said:
The kid seems very conveniently placed along side him. If they both drowned how have they ended up in that position side by side?

Am I missing something? Call me cynical but this looks all very setup for everyone to feel for thier plight more.

I get that this is a huge issue but this looks setup just to drive it home to even the hardest hearts
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The father has quite clearly seen the potential danger and worn his t-shirt covering both of them. Trying to prevent his daughter being washed away. It's kept them together even as both drowned

Your cynicism is cold, brother.
 
cheesyboy said:
If you make it as difficult as possible for people to seek asylum or even simply seek a better life, then you push them up take risks that will sometimes end tragically.

I suppose you have to ask yourself: what circumstances must that man have been in that risking the life of his 2 year old daughter, as well as his own, was worth the shot? What must have pushed him to that point. Empathy for a father doing his best - are we evolved enough here in GD to be capable of such reflection?
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Greed.
 
Narj said:
Maybe I'm a bit old but I've always believed in taking responsibility for my actions rather than blame-shifting, even if it could have got me the sack in the past.
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I see no quotes from the mother where she absolves herself of any responsibility and blames Trump. Is there another article where she's quoted as blaming it on Trump ?
 
neckbeardthethird said:
I see no quotes from the mother where she absolves herself of any responsibility and blames Trump. Is there another article where she's quoted as blaming it on Trump ?
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Maybe I was a little unclear. I found this disturbing and no, but the ES is certainly trying to paint it in a different light.
 
cheesyboy said:
It's funny how we call it ambition when a rich man accumulates yet more wealth, but greed when a poor one tries to reach for a tiny slice.
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He had a tiny slice according to the article. He could have bettered himself in his own country but tried to move to another where it's seen as being an easier life.
 
cheesyboy said:
The father has quite clearly seen the potential danger and worn his t-shirt covering both of them. Trying to prevent his daughter being washed away. It's kept them together even as both drowned

Your cynicism is cold, brother.
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I don't buy it. I think they both indeed drowned and we're dragged upto a place on the bank by someone or persons and led side by side face down perfect for a picture. I'm not saying it's wrong but they could at least make this point in the write up.

Maybe it doesn't make a difference over all but portraying that they were found like that in that position looking like they were so close and together to the end is too much for me
 
It's FD up but it's not America's job to absorb every s hole country in South America to give them free stuff.

The world is imperfect.
 
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