Are people not responsible for their own actions anymore?

azazl187 said:
I don't buy it. I think they both indeed drowned and we're dragged upto a place on the bank by someone or persons and led side by side face down perfect for a picture. I'm not saying it's wrong but they could at least make this point in the write up.

Maybe it doesn't make a difference over all but portraying that they were found like that in that position looking like they were so close and together to the end is too much for me
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Look up the unblurred photo. They're sharing his t-shirt, that's what has kept them together.
 
Anyone remember that photo of the dead boy who got washed up on some beach a few years ago?
Well, he didn't get washed up there. He was picked up and dropped in that position for the photo op, to pull on the heart strings.
"Look at the poor, dead boy! How evil we are! We must import millions upon millions of Africans and Asians".
I utterly, utterly hate globalists.
I hope that one day it will be lawful to go after them and deal with them appropriately, for their crimes.

As they have done to Europe, they are trying to ruin the USA as well.
 
vanillaface said:
Anyone remember that photo of the dead boy who got washed up on some beach a few years ago?
Well, he didn't get washed up there. He was picked up and dropped in that position for the photo op, to pull on the heart strings.
"Look at the poor, dead boy! How evil we are! We must import millions upon millions of Africans and Asians".
I utterly, utterly hate globalists.
I hope that one day it will be lawful to go after them and deal with them appropriately, for their crimes.

As they have done to Europe, they are trying to ruin the USA as well.
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You seem like a reasonable level headed chap
 
vanillaface said:
Anyone remember that photo of the dead boy who got washed up on some beach a few years ago?
Well, he didn't get washed up there. He was picked up and dropped in that position for the photo op, to pull on the heart strings.
"Look at the poor, dead boy! How evil we are! We must import millions upon millions of Africans and Asians".
I utterly, utterly hate globalists.
I hope that one day it will be lawful to go after them and deal with them appropriately, for their crimes.

As they have done to Europe, they are trying to ruin the USA as well.
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1) Got a source for that claim (other than Katie Hopkins)?
2) Even if the boy’s body was moved for the photo, does it negate the tragedy of desperate people risking (and losing) their lives trying to obtain a better life for their families?
 
cheesyboy said:
If you make it as difficult as possible for people to seek asylum or even simply seek a better life, then you push them up take risks that will sometimes end tragically.
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That doesn't seem to be the case at all, in fact the opposite seems to be true look at Australia for example, they've massively cut fatalities by taking a tough approach. Contrast that with say Europe after Merkel and "refugee's welcome" leading to that picture of a little boy washed up on a beach after his father risked the journey despite already living in safety in turkey.

The US has all sorts of issues with regards to illegal immigration, the fact is that there are plenty of systems in place for people to live as illegals within the US, for their future kids to become citizens, for their existing kids to attend school free of charge, for them to easily find work despite being illegal, for them to even commit crimes below the level of a felony and the local police have nothing to do with immigration as a result of the separation of local and federal law and the deliberate policies in some locations to actively refuse to cooperate with the federal government. People are entering the US illegally because it still provides a feasible way for a better life even if they're not full citizens.

Asylum seekers have my sympathy and should be properly processed at legit points of entry, people hopping the borders and wanting to live as illegals on the other hand should be actively discouraged from doing so and the ability to settle/make a life for themselves after doing so should be taken away.
 
Irish_Tom said:
1) Got a source for that claim (other than Katie Hopkins)?
2) Even if the boy’s body was moved for the photo, does it negate the tragedy of desperate people risking (and losing) their lives trying to obtain a better life for their families?
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1. Good luck in finding the account of the policeman who said that after checking the boy for signs of life, they were instructed to move the boy to a more convenient location (not to be confused with his brother who washed up further down the beach).
2. Well, this dead boy deserves sympathy because he never had a choice to undertake this journey. However, his parents did not have a right to leave their safe zone in Turkey (where his dad worked as a people smuggler), to invade someone else's land. His father's responsibility was either to pick up a gun and go back and fight against those who had caused him to flee Syria, or wait to go back and rebuild it.
 
Irish_Tom said:
1) Got a source for that claim (other than Katie Hopkins)?
2) Even if the boy’s body was moved for the photo, does it negate the tragedy of desperate people risking (and losing) their lives trying to obtain a better life for their families?
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No but it does make you more cynical, knowing that that is a spectrum between fake news and honest reporting, and almost none (probably absolutely none) of the media/news outlets are sitting at the honest reporting end of that spectrum.
 
vanillaface said:
Anyone remember that photo of the dead boy who got washed up on some beach a few years ago?
Well, he didn't get washed up there. He was picked up and dropped in that position for the photo op, to pull on the heart strings.
"Look at the poor, dead boy! How evil we are! We must import millions upon millions of Africans and Asians".
I utterly, utterly hate globalists.
I hope that one day it will be lawful to go after them and deal with them appropriately, for their crimes.

As they have done to Europe, they are trying to ruin the USA as well.
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Exactly my point
 
FoxEye said:
No but it does make you more cynical, knowing that that is a spectrum between fake news and honest reporting, and almost none (probably absolutely none) of the media/news outlets are sitting at the honest reporting end of that spectrum.
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Quite right.
Under a globalist, and hence corporatist system, the government, big business and corporate media are one and the same thing.
So therefore, this dead boy got lots of attention, but the sexual slavery of between 250,000 and 1,000,000 English girls by people the globalists imported, got by comparison very little coverage.

"Look at this dead boy. We must import millions of people to load up with debt for the banks, to keep wages down, to destroy nation states, and to suppress the indigenous European peoples."

As I recall, there was another corporatist system, existing in 1930s Germany, in which the mainstream media told stories of Jewish inferiority and the need for Lebensraum. Those in thrall to authority lapped it up, just as the same type of people today lap up stories of the need for the EU, mass immigration, "climate emergencies", and the like.
 
chroniclard said:
3 didnt
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Suggest you re-read the article. At a number of points it refers to him as being the indirect cause.

'The picture has gone viral on social media, raising questions about the Trump administration’s stance on the migrant crisis on America’s southern border.'

'They went for the American dream. They said they were afraid of how the situation with the migrants was under pressure from Trump'

'In February, Mr Trump declared a national emergency to unlock billions of dollars in federal funds to build his much-vaunted border wall'
 
Also coming to mind is a Syrian boy, with minor injuries, who was used as a media photo op, oh and also, a little girl as well, then there were the strategically placed teddy bears amongst rubble, children used multiple times in different areas being "rescued", civilians killed specifically so that their bodies could be displayed to depict the aftermath of fake chemical attacks, and so on, photographed by "journalists" who were embedded with terrorists masquerading as aid workers, who were being paid by the British government.

My favourite though was one from the Palestinian territories from years ago - a dead man, on a stretcher, to show the horrors of "Israeli aggression", with just one problem: they dropped him and he got up and ran off. I'll see if I can find the video. I think it's in there somewhere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTEtit09H0o

First came the commies.
Then came the fascists.
Now it's the globalists.

Evil, evil, evil.
 
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