Are people not responsible for their own actions anymore?

[Hagar]

I really need to hurry up and get my plans sorted to move somewhere rural and forget all the constant bickering.

Tis true, smaller communities lead to more harmony. Hence why borders are generally a good idea.

 

[cheesyboy]

Tis true, smaller communities lead to more harmony. Hence why borders are generally a good idea.

That's quite the leap of logic. Unless you mean borders around small communities?

 

[bigmike20vt]

I picked up the Evening Standard this evening and was confronted by a pretty depressing picture. The headline is, "The picture that shames America". Anyway, here is the online version:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...less-fathers-body-shows-toll-of-a4175971.html

First off, I can't stand Donald Fart at all, but am I unreasonable in saying that it's a bit of a stretch trying to lay the (thinly veiled) blame on him and his policies?

Take stupid risks, especially with children, and it's likely to end in tears. I'm a bit perplexed at how this is anyone's fault but the father's?

Maybe I'm a bit old but I've always believed in taking responsibility for my actions rather than blame-shifting, even if it could have got me the sack in the past.

Please can someone tell me what am I missing?

i heard about this last night...... utterly heart breaking stuff. Not gonna get involved in the politics however as for blaming the dad for taking stupid risks.... i think walk a mile in another mans shoes comes to mind here. I can only imagine how desperate you would have to be to feel forced to do something which he must surely have known was a massive risk.

I wish i had not seen that image to be honest.

(that said, In principle i am not against a country trying to police its borders either)

 

[robgmun]

I picked up the Evening Standard this evening and was confronted by a pretty depressing picture. The headline is, "The picture that shames America". Anyway, here is the online version:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...less-fathers-body-shows-toll-of-a4175971.html

First off, I can't stand Donald Fart at all, but am I unreasonable in saying that it's a bit of a stretch trying to lay the (thinly veiled) blame on him and his policies?

Take stupid risks, especially with children, and it's likely to end in tears. I'm a bit perplexed at how this is anyone's fault but the father's?

Maybe I'm a bit old but I've always believed in taking responsibility for my actions rather than blame-shifting, even if it could have got me the sack in the past.

Please can someone tell me what am I missing?

I couldn't agree more. It's heartbreaking but the father failed the child in not taking such terrible risks. Mexico isn't a war zone. I have very little sympathy for those crossing the Med as well.

 

[robgmun]

Jesus Christ, maybe it's because I try to avoid politically charged threads but some on this forum definitely has some questionable right wing views .

Then go to SC, it's such a lefty echo chamber the rest of us don't bother going in and leave them to their circle jerk

 

[FTM]

I am guessing those lacking empathy are probably not parents themselves...

 

[Sankari]

Indeed.

Bezemenov never said this, you've been fooled by a right wing meme. You can read the full transcript of his interview here, if you want to find out what he actually said.

 

[G-MAN2004]

Bezemenov never said this, you've been fooled by a right wing meme. You can read the full transcript of his interview here, if you want to find out what he actually said.

I take it you didn't bother checking out part three on that website?

 

[Irish_Tom]

Then go to SC, it's such a lefty echo chamber the rest of us don't bother going in and leave them to their circle jerk

I’m sure there are quite a few regular contributors to SC that would chortle at your description of lefty.

Of course, the counter is that GD is becoming an echo chamber itself and those that prefer more reasoned debate are leaving to avoid the circle jerk in here.

 

[Sankari]

I take it you didn't bother checking out part three on that website?

LOL, my mistake. As you were.

At least we know Bezmenov's strategy failed. His army of American Marxist-Leninists never materialised, and he never got a wave of leftist 'useful idiots' to destabilise the USA.

His defection was the ultimate admission of defeat.

 

[Narj]

I’m sure there are quite a few regular contributors to SC that would chortle at your description of lefty.

Of course, the counter is that GD is becoming an echo chamber itself and those that prefer more reasoned debate are leaving to avoid the circle jerk in here.

Seems to me that it's a case of people with diametrically opposed, deeply entrenched positions separating out into the two forums because they can't stand each other, tbh.

Fine by me if it reduces the petty insults.

 

[mmj_uk]

At least we know Bezmenov's strategy failed. His army of American Marxist-Leninists never materialised, and he never got a wave of leftist 'useful idiots' to destabilise the USA.

Have you even read it? he's basically describing todays left to a tee.

They are contaminated; they are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern. You cannot change their mind, even if you expose them to authentic information, even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still cannot change the basic perception and the logic of behavior. In other words, these people... the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible. To [rid] society of these people, you need another twenty or fifteen years to educate a new generation of patriotically-minded and common sense people, who would be acting in favor and in the interests of United States society.

Griffin: And yet these people who have been ‘programmed,’ and as you say [are] in place and who are favorable to an opening with the Soviet concept... these are the very people who would be marked for extermination in this country?

Bezmenov: Most of them, yes. Simply because the psychological shock when they will see in [the] future what the beautiful society of ‘equality’ and ‘social justice’ means in practice, obviously they will revolt. They will be very unhappy, frustrated people, and the Marxist-Leninist regime does not tolerate these people. Obviously they will join the leagues of dissenters (dissidents).

I bet most on the left still believe Trump is colluding with Russia and that it wasn't just pure propaganda. People on the left seem to be controlled by beliefs and emotion rather than facts and logic.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

LOL, my mistake. As you were.

At least we know Bezmenov's strategy failed. His army of American Marxist-Leninists never materialised, and he never got a wave of leftist 'useful idiots' to destabilise the USA.

His defection was the ultimate admission of defeat.

You’ve not heard of the Democrats then?

 

[neckbeardthethird]

Vanillaface, coming to a government watch list near you.

Some absolute wronguns on this forum who have gone so far down the rabbit hole they've managed to convince themselves their extreme right wing views are actually just regular conservative viewpoints.

 

[Irish_Tom]

Seems to me that it's a case of people with diametrically opposed, deeply entrenched positions separating out into the two forums because they can't stand each other, tbh.

Fine by me if it reduces the petty insults.

I just think it's a shame because, without honest debate in good faith, we're never going to mend the division.

Have you even read it? he's basically describing today's left to a tee.

You’ve not heard of the Democrats then?

The problem is, those same criticisms can be levelled at the other side as well:

You cannot change their mind, even if you expose them to authentic information, even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still cannot change the basic perception and the logic of behaviour.

Seems to perfectly describe the pro-Brexit posters in the SC thread — not that Brexit is a purely Left/Right issue but that's just one example. The same could be said for Trump supporters just as much as Trump critics.

 

[vanillaface]

That's not racist or massively stereotypical at all./s

Forgot that these forums were full of white supremacists. Reflects really well on Overclockers.

So, a bunch of people open up a country.
Who should they allow in?
Should they allow in a people who have proven themselves in creating high functioning societies for themselves, or should they allow in people who have not?
If that's a little taxing, then think about what you would do if you had a dinner party.
You have a choice in inviting Swiss people or Papua New Guinean cannibals.
Make your choice.
If you are afraid of being called "racist", then you would allow them all in, and perhaps even only the Papua New Guinean cannibals.
But, your daughter will be eaten.

 

[vanillaface]

Vanillaface, coming to a government watch list near you.

Some absolute wronguns on this forum who have gone so far down the rabbit hole they've managed to convince themselves their extreme right wing views are actually just regular conservative viewpoints.

Extreme right wing = Milton Friedman.
People who obsess over "extreme right wing" usually equate it with Nazism, except that Nazism was radical centrism at best, and left-of-centre authoritarianism at worst, just to the right of Stalinism.

 

[GGizmo]

The issue I see when it comes to Mexican immigration is nobody is really doing anything about it.

From what I hear of Mexico is it has a very violent underside with a lot of corruption. I've also heard that with the hysteria of immigration becoming a political football, some people who could legally travel to the US think that they have to sneak in. Mexican (and Canadian) immigration rules are less strict than they are for the rest of us.

So if we're saying that Mexico is such a dump that people can't get their identification documents, then isn't it about time the Mexican government was brought in to an international court because thousands of its citizens are literally running/swimming away from their own country? This stuff can't keep going on indefinately. It's not all the US fault for questioning peoples identity. That is only half the problem. The other half is why are people running away from Mexico?

 

[vanillaface]

I must admit not to know too much about that period, but I wonder what the lingering/ongoing effects of the US 1980's involvement in Central America are?

It seems as if years of the US installing puppet governments in El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, etc. may have a role to play in the current mess in Central America. Those governments completely ignored the middle and lower classes, and now there are levels of crime and death that are simply unbelievable in those countries.

I'm certainly not saying the US should open their borders or anything like that at all, but perhaps they should take into consideration that they've played a major role in the current mess in Central America. It smacks as arrogance for the US to brazenly force themselves upon the politics, economics and societies within Central America only to slam the door behind them when they scamper back to home soil.

You're talking about the time of the cold war.
Consider the US had not meddled in the Americas, and instead had allowed them to become communist dictatorships.
Look at Venezuela now: are the Venezuelan people fleeing Venezuela or not fleeing Venezuela?

 

[vanillaface]

I like it when people don't believe in the existence of borders, because such people always put their money where their mouths are, and keep their front doors open so that strangers can wander in at will.
I like to go to their houses and raid their fridge. I haven't had to buy a meal for years. And then there's all the jewellery I've taken from their houses, meaning that they've paid for my healthcare and I haven't had to work.
I love open borders.