Are people today too susceptible to group pressure?

The english football team taking the knee, and F1 drivers, - examples of group/woke pressure. [btw 39% of fans oppose it ]
I don't believe individually they all think this act is meaningful, and non-divisive, but the kings new clothes rule rules;
will this pervade the olympics next.
 
Frankly I think they deserve to be boo'd for bringing politics onto the football pitch by taking the knee in support of BLM.

It's very clear from reading the BLM website that they're a political pressure group with an agenda that goes well beyond just fighting racism.
 
jpaul said:
The english football team taking the knee, and F1 drivers, - examples of group/woke pressure. [btw 39% of fans oppose it ]
I don't believe individually they all think this act is meaningful, and non-divisive, but the kings new clothes rule rules;
will this pervade the olympics next.
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silvagti said:
Frankly I think they deserve to be boo'd for bringing politics onto the football pitch by taking the knee in support of BLM.

It's very clear from reading the BLM website that they're a political pressure group with an agenda that goes well beyond just fighting racism.
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But thats not why they are doing it.

They are not taking the knee in support of the political group BLM and you know that. Its a shame that people arent willing to either be honest or learn about what they think they should be angry about.

Those players are not asking for the police to be defunded, nor talking about removing fathers from the nuclear family. What they are doing is trying to raise awareness of the support and blind eye turning racism has, and people have fallen for it hook line and sinker.

It is people like you that are susceptible to group pressure as shown by complaining about things like this.
 
I wouldn't say anyone is against BLM in saying black lives matter as much as anyone else's?
It's the actual BLM political party people don't agree with.
When is the last time you've heard of stories of the founders and leaders actually helping the black community?
All I've seen are mobs of young ones causing mayhem tbh.
 
Tony Edwards said:
But thats not why they are doing it.

They are not taking the knee in support of the political group BLM and you know that. Its a shame that people arent willing to either be honest or learn about what they think they should be angry about.
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"Taking the knee" is inextricably linked to the BLM left wing political group and I don't think you can detach the act from being seen as a symbol of support for that pressure group.

It would be like doing a Nazi salute in support of another divisive cause then denying it had anything to do with far right politics.
 
Tony Edwards said:
But thats not why they are doing it.

They are not taking the knee in support of the political group BLM and you know that. Its a shame that people arent willing to either be honest or learn about what they think they should be angry about.

Those players are not asking for the police to be defunded, nor talking about removing fathers from the nuclear family. What they are doing is trying to raise awareness of the support and blind eye turning racism has, and people have fallen for it hook line and sinker.

It is people like you that are susceptible to group pressure as shown by complaining about things like this.
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You're being your typical self by denying there is a link between BLM as a statement and BLM the political organisation. Thankfully most people have come to their senses now and can see them for the grifters that they clearly are.

Do black lives matter? Yes of course they do and any reasonable person thinks so. Bending the knee isn't about that though and anyone saying otherwise is either lying, disingenuous or ignorant.

They have done more to damage race relations than I thought possible, caused millions in damage and been responsible for more deaths than their perceived issue with the police ever could have. They are an utter disgrace and the only wealth they have "redistributed" is into their own pockets.
 
In the spirit of the thread - the Scots have now flippantly U turned on knee protocol for the UK match, so - no group pressure;
that shows the weight of their conviction - who do I support now - just turn it off, like the Bristol riots

It's the insidious adoption/commercialization of all things/memes american that grates, ironic in the context of Brexitsnakeskin jacket individuality,national self expression,
its so derivative. Dominic Raab's instinct was the right one.

What behaviour would be appropriate to me - Stormzy type allocation of monies from the football clubs for scholarship of black students.
 
BallistixOnZ490 said:
He quite clearly has marriage remorse but thinks that must be mental health.

Which >HIGHLY PAID< doctor is going to tell him no if he turns up and says 'I am sad all the time for 6 months, gib depression diagnosis'?
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Yeah he seems really unhappy as they celebrate the birth of their daughter :rolleyes: Here we have a perfect example of group think.

Harry has suffered from depression and mental heath issues for years, its well documented and long before he met MM.
 
jpaul said:
In the spirit of the thread - the Scots have now flippantly U turned on knee protocol for the UK match, so - no group pressure;
that shows the weight of their conviction - who do I support now - just turn it off, like the Bristol riots

It's the insidious adoption/commercialization of all things/memes american that grates, ironic in the context of Brexitsnakeskin jacket individuality,national self expression,
its so derivative. Dominic Raab's instinct was the right one.

What behaviour would be appropriate to me - Stormzy type allocation of monies from the football clubs for scholarship of black students.
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What exactly is the problem you have with anti racism?

"Id love to support my countries team but they are against racism, what do I do?"

Seriously WTF is wrong with you people if you arent actually racists? I just dont get it. If you dont like the taking the knee bit just dont watch it for those few minutes.

Luckily you will all have a UK based fake news-anti woke channel to rival Fox news soon.
 
"Anti racism" is being used to push other agendas. Then when questioned on their sketchy actions they just call people "racist". Like BLM.
 
Nasher said:
Anti-militant, far left politics more like.
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You think a bunch of overly paid football players are anti militant ( I think you mean just militant but never mind) and support far left politics? Are you for real?

It really is just about racism guys. There is no hidden message.

Are you really saying that anti racism is only for left wingers?

I bet you think there were some decent people there booing against anti racism.
 
Tony Edwards said:
"Id love to support my countries team but they are against racism, what do I do?"
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taking the knee is not an effctive anti-racism gesture, who changes their behaviour as a result of seeing that ?
the footballers have donated no money or time, and just extract some self-attributed/woke moral high ground with the gesture;
you could almost say it trivialises/ridicules/mocks the issue to suggest it does; I'm unable to think of other gestures that I think have been effective ?

The gesture, as I understand, had a defiance/black power origin in the usa before Floyd, but, I don't believe UK/EU folks see beyond floyd when they see it,
I don't anyway, along with the ambivalance of whether that murder was racially motivated (trial of police force pending I believe)
I see the gesture as that associated with a medieval pledge of allegiance.
[e: wow filmer of the killing got a pulitzer prize ]


Colonel_Klinck said:
Yeah he seems really unhappy as they celebrate the birth of their daughter ....
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the absence of baby pictures(bbc anyway), shows just how happy they are, in their social celebrity re-incarnation - a solid group think diagnosis,
but it is probably a monetization strategy.

His doctors prescription for mental health issues was an interview with Oprah ? .. it's ok if you keep them to a minimum.
[P.Eade biography of young Philip currently on r4 which shows just how divisive their use of Lilibet was - H&MM are both in full crisis]
 
Kick It Out campaign has been going for years, as has the Respect campaign. Taking a knee is just an extension of that. These players see their friends and team mates getting racially abused on a daily basis on both social media and in person. People seem to think its a rare event that people are racially abused but its anything but rare. When players like Ian Wright and Rio Ferdinand who are anything but controversial get racially abused everyday you expect their friends and fellow players to do nothing? And many do give their time to help lots of local causes and many of them donate to charities. If you feel they shouldn't be allowed to make a silent protest for their friends then you are part of the problem. I wish they were more vocal on the subject.

As for anyone saying that all this has made race relations worse. Well if seeing players make a statement makes some people want to racially abuse people then there is clearly still a serious racism problem but it was just simmering under the surface. The way this has got used by certain groups to make it appear they are the ones in the wrong just shows how the group think has won the battle to make anti racism appear the problem and not the actual racism.
 
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