Army Physical Fitness Test

Damn I was training to beat a six minute mile (then five after). I didn't realise it could be done in a minuite (sic) :)

If you keep training and eating right you could get those times easily.
 
I'd like to express my sincere rejection of the 6:30 claim once more.

Going by the record time for 2000m, 2400m would take 5:40. It would obviously be a little longer than that, due to the taking into account the extra endurance.

That's someone who's trained just for that, running in gear designed specifically for the event, on a track designed specifically for the event.

The Paras train to carry large loads, do the run over rocky and hilly terrain, wearing boots designed for anything but fast running. Those alone would almost certainly bring them in at 7 minutes or more, never mind the fact that they are nowhere near the level of olympic athletes.

You're talking rubbish.
 
Zefan said:
I'd like to express my sincere rejection of the 6:30 claim once more.

Going by the record time for 2000m, 2400m would take 5:40. It would obviously be a little longer than that, due to the taking into account the extra endurance.

That's someone who's trained just for that, running in gear designed specifically for the event, on a track designed specifically for the event.

The Paras train to carry large loads, do the run over rocky and hilly terrain, wearing boots designed for anything but fast running. Those alone would almost certainly bring them in at 7 minutes or more, never mind the fact that they are nowhere near the level of olympic athletes.

You're talking rubbish.
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I'll second that.
 
The guardian had a series of articles on army training which included a summary table of the times run by service personnel. Apparrently only the top 1% of men under 30 consistently make it in under 8:15.
 
Uriel said:
The guardian had a series of articles on army training which included a summary table of the times run by service personnel. Apparrently only the top 1% of men under 30 consistently make it in under 8:15.
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shows how much a treadmill skews results, id be in the top 5% lol more like the bottom 5% in RL
 
Well Zefan and firstborn i have seen it with my own eyes and also your wrong thinking to get near an olympic athelete by lets see.......

5:45 = WR = 345 secs
45/345 = 13%

Having seen them with my own eyes it wasnt that unreasonable. I also run with them and have seen many 'normal' air force and navy guys who keep good cardio fitness do around 7 mins and a bit. The para's run 5 days a week iirc 8 miles per day or there abouts.

Many of them are not that heavy as they are wiry and not all huge despite the image of that. SAS guys come from the para's and can run similar times.

So its not rubbish, its just dedicated training, its good athletes and yes they can also 'yomp' with packs. If you like i will ask some marines at work to post pictures, but i cant be remotely bothered as its obvious it shouldnt be necessary.
 
Couple of running time results from me on the treadmill:

Both 2.4 km, no incline, pace varying between 10.5km/h and 15km/h. Was wearing heart rate monitor with self imposed limit of 177bpm (which dictated pace). I guess I could go faster runnng flat out but they were just training runs really.

13:01 yesterday after hour long FB routine.
12:01 today after just a warm up on the eliptical. Both were best times so far this year. Long way to go before I reach the just under 10 minutes personal best from about 1998.

Looks like my treadmill times are about a minute and a half faster than my outdoor hilly route.
 
Treadmill is very easy to run decent times on, 6mins a mile is a lot easier than on a road for example. Continue to do both to maximise your progress, maybe every 3rd run outside to minimise shin and knee impact.
 
Kop_Jedi said:
Treadmill is very easy to run decent times on, 6mins a mile is a lot easier than on a road for example. Continue to do both to maximise your progress, maybe every 3rd run outside to minimise shin and knee impact.
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Good advice this. I'm 36 and have been active all my life like my father before me including rugby to a decent level for both of us.

He's had a hip replacement (at 58yrs) and is lined up for another, I can already feel some joints suffering. Neither of us has ever carried excess weight.

Some of this is genetic obviously but it highlights the point that a lot of road running is bad for you. Some, yes as I believe the joints need some stressing to keep cartilage and fluids in good shape but too much will bugger you up.

Cycling is always a good option but it's much easier to cheat
 
Ben Cole said:
...but it highlights the point that a lot of road running is bad for you. Some, yes as I believe the joints need some stressing to keep cartilage and fluids in good shape but too much will bugger you up.
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Which begs the question, how much is too much? When do the long term damages outweigh the benefits? How many miles a week/month before long term damage is likely?
 
Well it follows that, if you're carrying excess weight like me, too much would be a lot less than someone that weighed less. Simple force equations really.

For that reason, and previous ankle and shin problems, I wasn't doing any running until about a month ago. Most of my cardio excercise has been non-impact stuff like eliptical cross trainer and bikes. If anything gets painful I'll ease off the running. Don't think longer distances would do me much good at all.
 
clv101 said:
Which begs the question, how much is too much? When do the long term damages outweigh the benefits? How many miles a week/month before long term damage is likely?
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Road running being the sole cause of joint damage is unfounded as far as I am aware.

Unless you are an elite athlete, stressing yourself to a ridiculous level day in day out, then there's probably nothing to worry about unless you have an underlying problem or a poor approach to training leading to injury.
 
Any shin pain = go non impact for awhile aka common sense. Its best to run on grass or treadmills mostly and some outside runs as the knees and shins can suffer. Cross trainers are good if you just want CV fitness. However, to run good times you must 'run' to achieve them :)
 
Kop_Jedi said:
Well Zefan and firstborn i have seen it with my own eyes and also your wrong thinking to get near an olympic athelete by lets see.......

5:45 = WR = 345 secs
45/345 = 13%

Having seen them with my own eyes it wasnt that unreasonable.
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6:30 in boots - of course its unreasonable - you're either deluded or exaggerating by quite a margin....

the test isn't even run in boots - but for the sake of argument we'll assume that that part is true

remember there is a 1.5 mile as a squad followed by 1.5 mile best effort (total run of 3 miles or 4800m)

lets assume your super human paras do the squaded run pretty quickly we'd best take a look at the 5000m event for an idea of the Olympic pace for this then - Olympic record is 13:05.59 so 4:11 per mile

therefore 6:16.5 - if you're a skinny distance runner doing it in trainers

6:30 you say? in boots? for 'most paras'

erm no.....
 
firstborn said:
Road running being the sole cause of joint damage is unfounded as far as I am aware.
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Not true. Each person is differently suited to it but one can attribute damage to road running specifically. It is proven to be heavy on joints.

It's common sense if you think about it.

Person A might do 10 miles a day every day and never have a problem but I know people who've never had knee problems that have had operations after upping their road running quota. The doctors and specialists have directly cited the road running as a cause regardless of running style or age.
 
Did my RAF PJFT in 10:30 on Thursday, the gym guy stuck it on 14mph first though... he thought it set to KPH :p

Yeah bit of a random post, just thought it was relevant :D
 
Thought I would have a crack at this so I've started working it into a morning exercise while I try and lose some BF%.

I'm working chins into this as well so here's what I've been doing:

Palms Away Chins: 5
Palms Facing Chins: 5
2 mins Pressups: 30 (in the first minute but after the chins my arms die. If I could keep it up at 1 pressup every 2 seconds It would be a good goal)
2 mins Situps: 50

1.5 miles out at a reasonable pace

1.5 miles back in 9mins 15seconds.

I'm hoping to be a bit better by the end of next week.

Panzer
 
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