Arrested for posting pictures
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As the article also mentions an offensive comment, it seems unlikely that he is a pacifist railing against the glorification of war. That said, do you not think there is a time and a place to air such views? If for example I didn't like your father for whatever reason, should I be able to turn up at his funeral and spend my time shouting abuse about him?
Not really sure it is relevant. Are you saying that it makes a difference as to why he said whatever it was he said? If so if I had a justified reason to shout abuse at a funeral, would it still be OK?
The article in the OP says he was arrested under the Malicious Communications Act, if so what he did could also be illegal. Are we discussing the legality of an act or whether we should be prosecuting at all?
Sometimes I think the World would be a better place if it were illegal to be stupid lol
Soldato
I completely disagree.
"Fascism is considered by certain scholars to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.
Roderick Stackleberg places fascism — including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism" — on the right, explaining that "the more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."
Benito Mussolini in 1919 described fascism as a movement that would strike "against the backwardness of the right and the destructiveness of the left".
Later the Italian Fascists described fascism as a right-wing ideology in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century.
Fascism
Fascism ( /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism.
Fascists seek to unify their nation based upon suprapersonal connections of ancestry and culture through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community through discipline, indoctrination, physical training and economic corporatism.
Fascism utilizes a vanguard party to initiate a revolution to organize the nation upon fascist principles. The fascist party and state is led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the party, the government and other state institutions.
Fascism views direct action including political violence and war, as a means to achieve national rejuvenation, spirit and vitality.
Left-Wing ideology
In politics, left-wing describes an outlook or specific position that accepts or supports social equality, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality.
They usually involve a concern for those in society who are disadvantaged relative to others and an assumption that there are unjustified inequalities (which right-wing politics views as natural or traditional) that need to be reduced or abolished.
If you can give me an example of a left-wing fascist government (which is against inequality & has concern for the disadvantaged) I'd be most interested in hearing about it.
Yup.
Indeed, if a view is being deliberately forced into the face of grieving relatives then yes, people should be censored (trolling a funeral fits this perfectly, as does the West-bro Baptist Church nutters).
But people should be free to post something which is just "offensive" if insensitive on a private social network page, or in a public page with no association to the victims.
If it possible to have our cake & eat it, freedom of speech isn't freedom to verbally assault people in person (during a funeral) or to post offensive & insulting things on a remembrance page.
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Bet most thought this would be a radical Muslim with a beard. Nope it appears to be a teenage white man (and probably gay looking at his photo).....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-Poppy-Facebook-page-Remembrance-Sunday.html
There's no point going over the Wikipedia definition of fascism and get into a stupid debate. I think when most people hear the word "fascist" nowadays they think a of someone who is an intolerant, authoritative and controlling person (and that is the sense in which I used it originally) they don't start having philosophical debates over the entire ideology and whether it is it compatible with other belief systems. In the same way you can call someone a 'Nazi' because they are being insistent and it doesn't mean you are saying they actually part of the whole Nazi ideology.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-Poppy-Facebook-page-Remembrance-Sunday.html
There's no point going over the Wikipedia definition of fascism and get into a stupid debate. I think when most people hear the word "fascist" nowadays they think a of someone who is an intolerant, authoritative and controlling person (and that is the sense in which I used it originally) they don't start having philosophical debates over the entire ideology and whether it is it compatible with other belief systems. In the same way you can call someone a 'Nazi' because they are being insistent and it doesn't mean you are saying they actually part of the whole Nazi ideology.
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Not really sure it is worth arguing about to be honest. Fascism has incorporated left and right wing ideas in its formation and it's execution. To be honest the "Left wing/Right wing" labels are pretty pointless anyway.
Soldato
I agree, but it was said we are becoming a "Left-wing fascist state".
I was simply questioning what part of this event adhered to any part of left-wing ideology.
But anyway, back on topic
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Caporegime
I'm seeking attention, what should I do?
Burn poppy, post online.
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PROFIT!
Burn poppy, post online.
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PROFIT!
Man of Honour
As distasteful as it is I don't agree that police time should be wasted on it.
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By which I meant people are being put in jail for 'offensive speech' with what being considered 'offensive' largely coming from a group who would call themselves left-wing.
For example, if I tweeted "I think all racists should be killed", I'd wager nothing would happen, yet if I posted "I think all black people should be killed" I'd wager I'd be in a police station quicker than you can say 'retweet'.
In both I'm calling for murder, but why do I get the feeling only the second would be an arrestable offence?
Such as stupid waste of time, Kent police should get on with better things. Soon the police will be arresting people for an easy clear up for pretty much anything said on the Internet. Burning a poppy does not cause distress, if you're offended you need to get your priorities straight!
Oh and for the record I don't buy into this whole brave soldiers dying for their country stuff with the exception of the world wars, cos every war since has been a pointless waste of life and those soldiers were not conscripts, I mean really have Afghanistan and Iraq really done anything but get people killed!
Oh and for the record I don't buy into this whole brave soldiers dying for their country stuff with the exception of the world wars, cos every war since has been a pointless waste of life and those soldiers were not conscripts, I mean really have Afghanistan and Iraq really done anything but get people killed!
Soldato
I just find the hypocrisy of nations which exploit the third/developing world (which results in the death & starvation of millions a year) somewhat distasteful.
Call me crazy, but I thought to honour the dead you act in such a way which would make them proud (being honourable, defending the innocent, protecting the vulnerable) - not by simply attending a ceremony once a year & paying £1 for a poppy.
On a side note, I doubt the person posting the pictures was coming from this angle, but I also doubt the people baying for his blood are upstanding morally perfect defenders of the vulnerable either.
These kind of services have been hijacked by the nationalists/military to pump up nationalistic support - when in reality the military has no place in them (as ultimately it was the civilians who died the most at the hands of the military forces around the globe)
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The modern day military is a career choice, I don't see why the public should worship it anymore than any other public service. In fact it's the most expensive under used public service, when was the last time the military directly protected UK civilians against a hostile act. I would argue that in the erosion of the state and globalisation will lead to a Europe single military force in 20 years, as with possible governments.
Caporegime
Indeed, just because we have feedom of speech doesn't mean anyone can go around saying whatever they want without suffering consequences.