Arsenal & Arsene Wenger

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For years it's been rumoured he's had all this money and hasn't spent it. I don't believe it's there or he get's paid more not to spend it. I think people have long believed and hoped on this fair play ruling but I don't believe anything will come of it.

I'd hate to see him go on a low but maybe he just might make the decision himself to call it a day at the end of the season. I think listening to radio and tv the fans are really starting to turn now and he will go himself. :(
 
I love it when we lose a match, read the newspapers a day later and you're bound to see the words "war chest" somewhere.

WAR CHEST

It doesn't matter how much money we have to spend when we have a manager who won't spend it anyway. I'm not advocating spending for the sake of it but Wenger is so disillusioned when it comes to the quality of our squad, or lack of. We always hear him mention that he'll only buy super quality, Gervinho, Santos, Park, Gervinho, Squillaci, Chamakh, Gervinho, Denilson, Diaby, Djourou, Gervinho, Fabianski, Mertesacker to an extent... Wooo super quality!
 
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Someone made a good point previously that the 'War Chest' always appears when fans are due to renew their season tickets.

Unless Wenger is ridiculously deluded, he surely can't have that much money to spend, if you've got £50-80m odd sat ready to spend, you'd be straight in for someone like Cavani when van Persie left, not penny pinching with Giroud.

No matter what Wenger may claim, there's just no way he believes someone like Diaby is a viable, Champions League quality first team player. If he does, then he needs to be sacked before he can do any more damage.

I also heard someone on the Telegraph's football weekly podcast (I think it was) say that Wenger has seemed very different and not the same person since he suffered a 'great personal tragedy' a few years ago - he didn't say what it was though.
 
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He works well with what he has. It's hard to compete with the budgets of City, Utd and Chelsea. That's the top 3 sorted already. Fourth is about the best they can hope for really.
 
Another war chest announcement in the papers!

Just have to face reality that he won't spend big and it will be another fight for 4th place.

The question is who is going to leave in the summer.

Heard reports that Wenger is looking for a right-back as top priority.

We have no defesive midfilder who can protect the back four, that's what we need.

Just don't see how someone so smart can be so blind.

Petit, Vieira, Gilberto, Flamini, Song. We have no like this to do the hard work.
 
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richthomuk said:
Strange comment really
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Not really, how is it a strange comment??. Im questioning the fact that say if we were fighting for survival in the PL then would the board still be as behind Wenger as they say they are??.

K1LLSW1TCH said:
I love it when we lose a match, read the newspapers a day later and you're bound to see the words "war chest" somewhere.

WAR CHEST

It doesn't matter how much money we have to spend when we have a manager who won't spend it anyway. I'm not advocating spending for the sake of it but Wenger is so disillusioned when it comes to the quality of our squad, or lack of. We always hear him mention that he'll only buy super quality, Gervinho, Santos, Park, Gervinho, Squillaci, Chamakh, Gervinho, Denilson, Diaby, Djourou, Gervinho, Fabianski, Mertesacker to an extent... Wooo super quality!
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+1 spot on.

Also ill add that in order for us to attract super top quality players then Wenger/Arsenal need to stop being so measly in what they pay players. Clubs like City, Chelsea and Utd pay top dollar for their best players and manage to hang onto them. Whereas we??, we pay them £60k a week then sell them to better clubs who can pay them twice or three times as much as we can.
 
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Someone made a good point previously that the 'War Chest' always appears when fans are due to renew their season tickets.

Unless Wenger is ridiculously deluded, he surely can't have that much money to spend, if you've got £50-80m odd sat ready to spend, you'd be straight in for someone like Cavani when van Persie left, not penny pinching with Giroud.

No matter what Wenger may claim, there's just no way he believes someone like Diaby is a viable, Champions League quality first team player. If he does, then he needs to be sacked before he can do any more damage.

I also heard someone on the Telegraph's football weekly podcast (I think it was) say that Wenger has seemed very different and not the same person since he suffered a 'great personal tragedy' a few years ago - he didn't say what it was though.
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It was called, losing the unbeaten run, thats the exact time we've been crap since, or been getting worse from, however at that time we still had an immense squad, like unbelieveable and it took a while for it to become obvious.

First it was 4-5-1 away to guys like Stoke and Utd, then it was 4-5-1 away to half the table, then it was 4-5-1 away in Europe and in the league all the time, then it was at home against top teams, then it was just all the time.

Problem is, we've never won a cup, nor looked good, nor played the system well under Wenger.

He's a 4-4-2 kinda guy, and with 4-5-1, at no stage in 8 years has he found a way to tell the fullbacks to actually defend sometimes, its a system that does not work under Wenger because he has never successful deployed this system and won cups or had a good year in the league.

Ultimately that loss changed us from one of the best counter attacking sides, with loads of creativity, into a possession, slow to build attacks, 4-5-1, completely different mentality to it side and we've been downhill ever since.

AS for Diaby, yes, for 4 years minimum I've been saying, yes he really truly believes Diaby will make the difference, even ignoring the injuries, he thinks he's great.

I'll give you a hint, Coquelin, who is flat out better than Diaby both defensively and offensively, can't get a game unless EVERYONE is injured, the second Diaby is back from injury he's first team. If Wenger didn't truly believe in Diaby, he simply wouldn't be at Arsenal.

Hleb, to **** for Birmingham Hleb, got favoured to the point that Reyes and Pires left, guys who both had seasons scoring over 15, for a guy who struggled getting beyond 2 goals a season. Pre unbeaten run Wenger would have frozen out Hleb till he left and kept Pires till he retired, post unbeaten run wanted the workhorse with zero quality who did what he was told, not the creative guy who could actually win us games.
 
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Someone made a good point previously that the 'War Chest' always appears when fans are due to renew their season tickets.

Unless Wenger is ridiculously deluded, he surely can't have that much money to spend, if you've got £50-80m odd sat ready to spend, you'd be straight in for someone like Cavani when van Persie left, not penny pinching with Giroud.

No matter what Wenger may claim, there's just no way he believes someone like Diaby is a viable, Champions League quality first team player. If he does, then he needs to be sacked before he can do any more damage.

I also heard someone on the Telegraph's football weekly podcast (I think it was) say that Wenger has seemed very different and not the same person since he suffered a 'great personal tragedy' a few years ago - he didn't say what it was though.
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I don't know what to believe any more, we must have a huge chunk available to spend on wages, but we apparently pay everyone near enough the same wage which is completely baffling. I'm not sure if we are struggling to cope with transfer fees or whether the problem is something else. I'm confused as to why we never signed Mata, we always seemed so close and then he just went to Chelsea. I don't believe they offered Valencia masses more than we did in terms of transfer fee, I just think that the wage budget came into it and we were unwilling to give him as much as he deserves, just in case we upset some random crapper like Rosicknote or Diaby.

As for Wenger he has changed absolutely. His philosophies are so flawed nowadays, the wage structure, the playing philosophy, the training methods apparently used, the use, or rather misuse of other staff, his transfer policy and the only 1 year contracts to 30s and over. He has become a joke, a parody of himself and we've gone from the glory days of the late 90s and early to mid 00s to struggling for continental qualification in the league and being embarrassed in cup competitions year after year.

Sad really.
 
The other thing I dont understand about all this, is why people and the media seem to think it's all doom and gloom for Arsenal, when Liverpool who historically are probably a bigger club than Arsenal have been doing worse than Arsenal for the last 10 years!

Currently they are finishing below Arsenal in the league, out of the champins league, but no one says anything. :confused:
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
I don't know what to believe any more, we must have a huge chunk available to spend on wages, but we apparently pay everyone near enough the same wage which is completely baffling. I'm not sure if we are struggling to cope with transfer fees or whether the problem is something else. I'm confused as to why we never signed Mata, we always seemed so close and then he just went to Chelsea. I don't believe they offered Valencia masses more than we did in terms of transfer fee, I just think that the wage budget came into it and we were unwilling to give him as much as he deserves, just in case we upset some random crapper like Rosicknote or Diaby.

As for Wenger he has changed absolutely. His philosophies are so flawed nowadays, the wage structure, the playing philosophy, the training methods apparently used, the use, or rather misuse of other staff, his transfer policy and the only 1 year contracts to 30s and over. He has become a joke, a parody of himself and we've gone from the glory days of the late 90s and early to mid 00s to struggling for continental qualification in the league and being embarrassed in cup competitions year after year.

Sad really.
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I heard a couple of days ago, some ex Arsenal player was saying that Wenger is taking on too much regarding the management of the team. Saying something along the lines that Bould who is the assistant manager, doesnt even get a say regarding team tactics especially defensively. And that Wenger likes to control everything regarding the team. How much of that is true is hard to say as it seems like everyone has it in for Wenger at the moment.

But one thing is for sure, we may have £100mill sitting there to be spent but fact is until Wenger and Arsenal start paying genuine world class players £100k a week in wages there is absolutely no way we will get people like Cavani et al into the squad. So unless that changes we will be stuck with crap like Rosicky, Diaby, Chamakh, Gervinho and a load of other utterly useless players we have at the moment and paying them £60-70k a week.
 
opethdisciple said:
The other thing I dont understand about all this, is why people and the media seem to think it's all doom and gloom for Arsenal, when Liverpool who historically are probably a bigger club than Arsenal have been doing worse than Arsenal for the last 10 years!

Currently they are finishing below Arsenal in the league, out of the champins league, but no one says anything. :confused:
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The expectation levels for the two clubs are different though, Liverpool have been crap for that long now not even missing out on top 4 is seen as failure for them, Arsenal on the other hand still have the same manager as 10 years ago when they were about to start a season where they went the unbeaten so naturally more is still expected of Wenger and Arsenal today.

Are Arsenal even getting that much stick in the media? No one expects them to challenge for the title anymore, certainly no one has them down as possible winners of the Champions League so it's only when they get knocked out of the cups that the **** really hits the fan.
 
At this moment in time any trophy would be greatly received by fans, quite why Wenger basically stuck two fingers up at the FA Cup in favour of resting a few faces for the Champions League game is beyond me. The CL match would have been a nigh on impossible task even if we had our first choice 11 on the pitch, given how good Bayern are and how pants we have been this season I would have preferred our strongest team against Blackburn and at least secured a passage to the next round where we would have a real chance at a trophy for the first time in a long time.

Yes, you have to beat the best in the CL at some point anyway, and I can see why Wenger would favour the prestige of the CL over the FA Cup but this was a season where he needs a trophy more than ever.
 
Meh, the guy who, is it howard, used to do Arsenal tv and was a player years ago before that who has been around the club but left. Sour grapes or just knows the truth, he's said a couple times now that Wenger is a dictator, yet doesn't actually give players individual instructions much. He won't let Bould train the defence how Bould wants, everyone does what he wants, but at the same time he doesn't really give players instructions on how to play a game.

He cited, was it the Barca game, where Cesc looked over to the bench and asked what Wenger wanted, should they press them or drop deep, stuff the team should know but Wenger doesn't get into. Teaches them how to pass it around a a 5m square area with a man in the middle trying to win the ball back, but doesn't tell them how to play against anyone, which is entirely believeable in how we play football, completely disorganised.

Mert does look better for Germany than us, Podolski looks better for Germany than for us.

I've said before when we were successful I think we had leaders, Adams, Campbells, and Gilberto's who have been there before and they can tell the team when to press, when not to, yell at the fullbacks to be one place or another, and largely speaking Dixon, winterburn, even Cole had loads of "non Wenger training" so already knew what they were doing. While players who have played mostly under Wenger, more than anyone else, your Gibbs, Sagna's(ish), Song, Walcott, don't have a freaking clue what to do, where to be, with half the team missing and no massively strong leaders like Adam's with experience to tell them all what to do, its a shambles.

I've also said before, there isn't really a distinct thing as a good manager, Grant was actually fantastic with Chelsea, yet rubbish with Pompie seemingly. One manager teaches a team defence, but fails ultimately and moves on, a new manager comes in, can't teach a defence for crap but can teach an offence, the new with the old defence training works great. But years later teaching a new defence, its no good and the team fails again.

I think Wenger worked well for Arsenal at a particular time that there was a solid foundation of defence from previous managers and existing player experience/leadership, but since Adams, Keown, Bould(not being allowed to teach his way.. maybe he's a crap coach aswell, who knows) Dixon, Winterburn, Campbell, and any players who really played with those guys, are all gone.

Simple fact is Wenger hasn't fixed a single problem with the team that has emerged in over 8 years, he hasn't learnt from a single mistake, he hasn't changed his management style, not let anyone else help, nor decided to go out and bring in a top assistant manager or defensive coach. He has shown literally 0% change, willingness to change, ability to see the problems, in 8 years, so I don't know why anyone thinks he'll suddenly change now, see the problems or fix any of the problems, he's proven himself entirely incapable.
 
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